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Crestfallen Ariake
The issue wasn't about giving up the victory. Executing the Mana guaranteed the city's defeat, but the situation with the Mafia was less clear-cut, so choosing this option for the city was quite logical. It's just a shame that in the end, he still voted for the Mafia...
In the previous game, killing the Mana had a high probability of leading to our defeat.
But that didn't stop anyone. After all, the main goal was to kill the Mafia.
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Mestear
Yashur surprised me. He used to complain that mana wins too often. But now, he suddenly expressed a desire to let mana win, but not the mafia. He's a mystery to me, of course.
In this game, I think the mafia's victory was predetermined by the presence of a cheater. IMO. When there's no reliable information, only the mafia can play well... And especially when the town is definitely losing...

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So, we can consider this case an exception.
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And I said that a maniac can be useful to the city.
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Night 6
5. Evil Lizard (Suzanne) is watching Neiko (Ghost of the Abbot). Result: Crestfallen Ariake.
Night 6
8. Count Orlov (Saltzman) heals Crestfallen Ariake (Eddie).
I thought the doctor would go to Revny... But it turned out the doctor wasn't who I thought...

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Crestfallen Ariake
It's a pity that in the end he still voted for the murderer...
Some people feel sorry, but not me... He tried to kill me twice...
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But he didn’t kill him.
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Crestfallen Ariake
But he didn't kill him.
This is thanks to you and Nefela. It doesn't excuse him, though....

By the way, Nebo, you definitely knew my role. You knew that the world was going to be destroyed (or not?). Why did you go and try to destroy the world? If Graf and Revnen had stayed, they definitely would have won against the 3 ghosts, right?
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Evil Lizard
In my opinion, this game was designed so that the Mafia would win from the start, due to the presence of a cheater.

Yeah, especially considering the number of defenses/blocks/isolations in the city.
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It was so intense that when I first saw the final version, I almost thought Fragment was Larse.
Congrats on the win.
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Phew, I finally got to the computer and can write something. If anything, all the posts about work and being busy were completely true, which everyone else who knows how [censored] my job can be and how hard it is to tear myself away from it can confirm, even just to log into the chat (and here I also need to participate in the thread and show some activity). So, first of all, thank you all for the game! It was a really difficult, but incredibly interesting, and essentially psychological game. And even though the town lost, I have to say, almost all of you (but not all, more on that later) played very well, so don't beat yourselves up about the loss, you really did a great job! You just didn't always choose the best targets for the executions... To be honest, when I signed up, I was really hoping to chill as a town member or at least as a mafia player, because based on past experiences, I never liked playing as a neutral. So when Lynx messaged me with "hey, Inquisitor," I was a little disappointed at first. I mean, yes, the team composition didn't really upset me, and later it even pleased me, but at that moment it wasn't what I wanted, especially with this amount of natural and external protection that almost everyone had, and that was even restored by the doctor. And after the first failed kill, I was even more disappointed. But thanks to the poll and the hints from Locken, we immediately figured out Charlie, which was at least a little bit comforting. And I was also actively writing that the Ghost would carry the town, because until the middle of the game I was convinced that she could win together with the town members. And then the second night came, and Master wrote that Fragment swapped his night action with Jannet, and that's when the real chaos began. First of all, we were going to use the poll, the kill, and the block on Tox, because we wanted to give the town as little information as possible and at the same time prevent Tox from doing something stupid that could hinder us. But then Gumer intervened, and instead of kills, the town got a devastating execution with hysterics and threats to the adept. And then it got even more interesting... We figured out Revan based on his provocative dialogue with Tox (and we weren't wrong), after which we started blocking him so that he wouldn't interfere with blocks and accidentally shoot Lynx; we executed Fragment (well, okay, I executed him); we figured out Crabby as our unofficial ally (who, as it turned out, was also messing with us); we assumed that Nefela was being framed by Cliff, because she was actively defending Tox, as if she knew for sure that the mafia was killing him in the second night; we decided that Gumer was Salzman, because the guys who played with him in the previous game decided that he was hinting at the doctor, which led to a wasted kill; and of course, we came up with crazy theories. A whole bunch of crazy theories that Master was probably facepalming at. He even sometimes openly wrote something like, "Why am I reading this?.." In general, it was an unusual, intense game with a lot of "plot twists"! So thank you, Master, I won't forget this experience! Now I want to share my impressions of individual players, and I'll start with my teammates. First of all, Lynx, who was almost always active in the chat and in any unclear situation wrote "well, that's it, GG" or "if it's like this, then it's GG" - in fact, we never felt any negativity about this, but rather we all enjoyed it together. And in general, she probably did the best job of maintaining a positive mood in the chat (although Master also tried and when we were upset, he encouraged us, saying that we still had a chance and that the deciding factor would be how we play during the day - and so it was every time!). Secondly, Fragment, who was also active, always analyzed and worked with us to develop a plan of action, even after being executed, although he could have easily done so. And considering the circumstances, he was far from focused on us, because his health was much more important. But despite everything, Fragment never forgot about us! And of course - Crabby! Our third unofficial teammate, who at the end of the game figured out what to do and supported our team. And in general, he was quite active in the thread, analyzed a lot, and thought. Although he tried to convince McCue to reveal himself - that's a low blow! So, that's about it, and now I'm going to start ranting. So, Tox and Gumer. The first one was hysterical, capricious, made ultimatums, and behaved like a little brat who sat down at the account of an adult in a break between sleepy time and the potty in kindergarten. Although in the end he didn't reveal himself, he really annoyed everyone, especially us and Master. And as funny as it is, as Locken threatened in the thread, he can blame Tox for his death, because if he hadn't revealed his role with his night action (well, that's the game mechanic), and hadn't made everything worse with his hysterics, forcing us to kill Charlie so that he wouldn't reveal Fragment (who was then executed during the day). But in general, as a person, Tox left an indelible impression on himself. But okay, we were ready to put up with that. And seeing how Nefela actively defended Tox, as if she knew something for sure about his innocence (although, it seems, where would she know that from?), we assumed that she was Cliff and even got a little excited. And then the inactive Gumer jumped in, saying that evil players were executing him for his indifference to the game (then why did he sign up?), and made a bad adept, which simply ruined my mood as a player (and the mafia should be happy about the adept of a town member), and at the same time confused us (well, here the guys just reasoned based on their experience from the previous game, and I also insisted that Nefela was Cliff). In fact, what I wrote is only a small part of the frustration that Master, Lynx, and Fragment felt, I just don't want to keep pouring out tons of garbage, especially since I'm already almost over it. But I will definitely stick to one thing - this was my last game with Gumer and especially Tox as players, despite the fact that the latter revived the mafia on the forum. I just don't want to deal with someone who, being an adult, is not ready to play like a normal person without hysterics, whims, and infantile decisions. I just don't like it. Now let's get back to the good. All the other town members, except for the aforementioned people who caused my indignation, you all did a great job. At night, you acted very powerfully and could have easily reached a swift victory if it weren't for the obstacles in the form of some players. And although you mostly killed your own, I really think that the town played well, and the votes without evidence based on pure psychology are always just a random chance. And of course, the Neutrals. It's a pity that everything turned out this way, we would have been happy if the mechanics allowed both neutrals and the mafia to win, but it turned out that at night luck just turned its back on us, and even more so on you. But you also tried your best, and the fact that you, being a neutral, made it to the final says a lot, especially considering that you were being targeted for execution for several days in a row.
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I would also like to see my nickname highlighted in bold. Oh well, I think Tox and Gumer will understand what happened and won't allow such rash actions in the future. At least, I hope so.

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Gumer has been playing for a while now, and he's actually pretty good. I didn't expect that from him.
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Sorry, I'm just tired and want to sleep, but since I'm still awake, I'll give my feedback on everyone else.

Revan, your intuition was fantastic and caused us a lot of trouble on the first day. Lynx and I were constantly worried that you would succeed in getting one of us executed, especially her. But overall, I want to say that your analytical gameplay impressed us from the beginning, and almost no one doubted that you were a town member until the very end. However, I confess that in the last few days, we started to think that Eddie was bluffing, and you were the mafia.

Alex is a player about whom there was absolutely no information in the newspaper, but who, in the first few days, managed to establish himself as a guaranteed town member through sheer psychology. In many situations, you showed yourself as an active leader of the town, and if it weren't for the false clues of someone else's inactivity and the brazen activity of the mafia, I think you could have achieved the execution of anyone. So, you just didn't get lucky with your choice of targets, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone wanted to follow you. However, we never understood why you wanted to burn a potential Lars in the thread. Because of this, we even started to suspect Neffela and began to think that you were the mafia.

In short, guys, regarding both of you, I would be very happy to play another game of mafia with you (and some others), especially with Revan, based on the setting of the expansion. But I will only sign up under certain conditions.

Loken could also have been a good player, and maybe the executions would have gone in a completely different direction, and we might not have won if you had lived longer, but things turned out differently.

Yashchur – you played the role of a manipulator as best as you could, while entertaining and sometimes even distracting the town's attention with completely nonsensical things. Excellent functionality for a mafia or a maniac! But you still did a good job, keeping us on edge. We were all hesitant to go and kill you because we were afraid of wasting our night points on your ultimate ability. By the way, even before the isolation (and even a little after), we also suspected you of being the mafia =3

Makka – I didn't execute you for no reason. Yes, you were inactive and wrote little, but if I were a town member instead of the mafia, I probably wouldn't have voted for you either, because you simply lacked persuasiveness and persistence. But despite the pressure, unlike some, you didn't resort to shameful hysterics, but simply accepted the execution, for which, considering all the circumstances, I want to thank you separately. And yes, we almost didn't doubt your innocence.

Neffela – everything is complicated regarding you, considering that we had the impression that your thoughts and actions were guided by the late Tox. I really hope that this was not the case, because in general, you correctly understood that Tox was a town member (if we assume that you reasoned based on your own considerations, and not because of some rule-breaking factors), and you also confused us by getting us another night without a kill. And in general, for example, you did a good job of figuring out that Gumer should not be executed (but this is also if there were no interventions). So, in a fair and rational game, you did a good job. And yes, you were also suspected of being the mafia in our eyes)).

Well, I think that's all. I can go to sleep now
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Mestear

Yeah, especially considering the number of defenses/blocks/isolations the town has.)
All of this "multiplies by zero" due to the lack of or distortion of information. The fact that the kill attempt failed for some reason doesn't prevent the town from self-destructing for the reasons mentioned above. Take, for example, the situation with Tox... It's unlikely he would have been lynched if the attack had been properly reported...

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Neiko
Yashur – he was high as a kite, entertaining and sometimes even distracting the town with completely nonsensical things. Excellent functionality for a mafia member or a maniac! But you still did a good job, keeping us on edge; we were all hesitant to go and kill you because we were afraid of wasting our night points on your ultimate ability. By the way, before the isolation (and even a little after), we also thought you were a mana user =3
Everything just went wrong. First, I made a mistake with the cover, then I got upset that the "cover" was lynched, and then I got even more upset when I found out that there was no "cover" at all (the situation was even more chaotic than Dave's reaction to seeing a ghost)...
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Evil Lizard
All of this is "multiplied by zero" due to the lack of or distortion of information. The fact that the assassination attempt failed for some reason does not prevent the city from collapsing on its own due to the reasons mentioned above. Take, for example, the situation with Tox... He probably wouldn't have been hanged if the attack had been repelled...
Alright, if that's what you think, then I guess we didn't deserve to win.
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Yes, Mafia is not about psychology and reasoning. Mafia is about calculating the negatives and positives based solely on the information available.

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