Posts from Mafia 107. Fever and Overdose Auto-translated

What could this mean? Probably some kind of mistake, Master. Mystiar and Lynx – they’re easy to confuse. In that case, I see even more reason to execute Lynx. Unless she says something truly productive right now. But I don’t think she will.

I don't see any reason to execute her.

Let's wait for Ment and see what he has to say.

Sky is the father (lol), Lynx is a hypocrite, Yaschur is a reaper, Master is a monster. It's not a 100% perfect iteration because Sky can, of course, be replaced with mana, and Yaschur can be replaced with Revan-Humer (or even both can be replaced with each other). But we can work with that. Either way, it turns out that Lynx needs to be silenced. Both options – reaper or hypocrite – have their pros and cons, but they seem more reliable to me than executing the monster. Maybe I'm underestimating its importance, but it seems to me that its ultimate ability can either work well or not, while the reaper and hypocrite offer 100% efficiency. But I'm not insisting on this. I also want to consult with Ment, and maybe even Fragment, if he's rested and recovered after a hard shift at the factory.

Morning, the Sky can’t be a father, because Mom’s ultimate ability doesn’t work on it.

I reviewed the first four pages and didn't see it mentioned anywhere. Did you make that up, or did I miss it?
Tox?

I wrote about this in the thread.

If the mother casts her ultimate on the father, there will be nothing in the newspaper, the mother will skip her turn, but retain her ultimate.

They came up with it themselves, but what? So, they didn't come up with it, lol. Morning, why don't you want to execute the Master?

Okay, I understand. Someone came up with the idea, and Tox adapted it. So, as I added, you can swap the remaining slots between the remaining players in different combinations.

Master:
> I don't see any obvious references to a mother, but this one hints at first love.
Does a beloved—even if she is a dissatisfied mother—or a first lover evoke fewer emotions than a waifu? Well sure, sure, someone like Vladik, a distant friend in another country, would fit better.

> This last example was very recent. I'm not going to scour the whole thread.
I looked at the post—the justification for Freud's execution and another super-plan for today. But where is the breakdown of what actions could have been taken to analyze the nights? Why would you have done it differently? Where is all that stuff? Why should we follow you when you only offer "this is how I see it, we'll break through, otherwise we'll just fight"?

> This is the key criterion for a valid clue. After all, Tox must have come up with it somehow. Moreover, it should be a completely logical chain, preferably without one-to-many equivalent transitions.
Once more for special cases. Tox wants to invent a clue for Morning. He goes to Morning's profile and checks where the phrase came from (or asks directly)—he has the game Darkest Dungeon. He goes to Wikipedia—and on the main page, he sees who the composer is. He goes to the composer's page—and sees the Prince of Persia game series. He looks at the features of the game series to make the clue more complex—he finds the voice actors. Is that really so hard?
With such rigid protection of the killer, not even from execution but from a clue, I'm going to develop paranoia. Only especially important comrades are covered like this. It wouldn't happen that Morning is the Reaper who cut Nephela's thread of life? Or...

Morning
> For now, I see no reason not to execute Master today. Are there any better candidates? I can suggest Lynx.
> No, Lynx cannot be a town player at all.
> Therefore, cancel Master, execute Lynx.

Committing one murder and immediately getting caught—that's definitely frustrating, I agree, I can even sympathize But you shouldn't act out of internal resentment when so much is at stake.
I hope that you are truly the maniac and not the reaper, and therefore you will read this and think:
1. If I were mafia, we would try to tie a clue to the most "sus" player or to Nebka to bleach them and convince the town of the maniac's "usefulness." But behavior like Master's—"I know the maniac but won't say, and there's no need to solve the clue"—is not the behavior of a town player. If you can give the town more information without exposing your role, you should give it.
2. Your actions this night directly showed that your vector of action is incorrect. Perhaps you suspected Nephela of being mafia, so you killed her, but you were wrong. By killing a townie, you worsened the situation for yourself as well. You won't win here by playing only for yourself. Therefore, like in the good old days, you must be useful to the town—perhaps later you'll have a chance to show off your cunning. But now you must think about the fact that we will ultimately get another peaceful execution. The town and the maniac will face a high probability of losing, while the mafia players will get victory on a silver platter. Think again whether haste in pushing the game onto me is worth it.

Mestear, and which one will you choose?)

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We have about 4 hours to execute someone.

We need to either vote now or give up and wait for the next day, which, as you understand, may be the last.

1. If I were the Mafia, we would try to link the evidence to the most "suspicious" player or to Nebka, in order to clear their name and convince the town of the "usefulness" of the killer. But behavior like Master's – "I know who the killer is, but I won't say, and there's no need to solve the puzzle" – is not the behavior of a town player.

Maybe they would try, maybe they wouldn't. Evidence can be interpreted, manipulated, and shifted in many different ways, as the hundred Mafia games have shown. In the paradigm of the killer's usefulness to the town that you described, where the Mafia is intact and has all their abilities, I don't consider solving the puzzle to identify the killer as town behavior, especially if that killer will be eliminated by a regular Reaper kill. As the Mafia, by revealing this, you not only create a precedent where everything this player says in the future can be ignored, citing their lack of integrity, but you also draw town blocks onto them. And with the current state of the game, this serves as a good setup for the monster's ultimate ability, doesn't it? A kind-hearted town player, eager to win, will decide to go heal or protect the killer, and will run into the monster. And if they don't go, then you can go kill with the Reaper. It's a win-win situation. It's definitely more reliable than trying to link the evidence to Master. Or whoever else you have on your list?
My problem with you is that town roles just don't seem to fit you. Leaving aside all the sophistry, I'll ask you directly – who do you propose to execute? If not Master. You are suggesting executing him, right? Who else is on the list?

Mestear, which of them will you choose?)

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We have about 4 hours to execute someone.

We need to EITHER vote now OR give up and wait for the next day, which, as you understand, may be the last.

Well, there's no point in executing Morning. If you've seen the clue's solution, you probably agree that it fits Morning more than well.
Firstly, the killer isn't executed on the first try, and secondly, we still need him if we want to somehow win.
The only problem is that as long as the killer harms the town, either leaking or trying to leak information about the townspeople...

For now, execute MasteR. I don't like his behavior (especially how easily he distanced himself from the execution of Freud), I don't particularly like his analysis (he's not being straightforward and is trying to mislead), and his attempts to criticize or ignore the clue about the killer. This convinces me even more of his negativity.

Ment - Reaper

Ilyukha, is that you???:D:D:D

Cancel Morning's execution.

It just dawned on me who Ment is, and it completely shattered my understanding of what's happening.
Damn, it turns out I'm really a drug addict, and I can't even make tables properly x(<0xE2><0x80><0x80>I'll have to redo everything from scratch.
I apologize for my inappropriate behavior.

Are you feeling better now?:D

You can believe me, comrades, I'm on the side of the city.

Are you crazy?

Mestear, the solution is perfect, almost too perfect haha
I wouldn't have figured that out myself.

And I don't see any point in executing Morning; it's better to get rid of the mafia. Especially if Morning can help us.

They might have tried, or they might not have. The clues can be interpreted, stretched, and manipulated in many different ways, as the hundred mafia games have perfectly demonstrated. In the paradigm of a serial killer's usefulness to the town, where the mafia is intact and has all its abilities, I don't consider revealing a clue about a serial killer who will be eliminated by a regular Reaper kill to be a good town strategy. By being a member of the mafia and putting this idea out there, you not only create a precedent where everything this player says in the future can be ignored, citing their lack of cooperation, but you also draw town blocks onto them. And given the current state of the game, this serves as a good setup for a monster's ultimate ability, doesn't it? A well-meaning town member, eager to win, will decide to go and heal or protect the serial killer, and will run into the monster. And if they don't go, then you can go and kill the Reaper. It's a win-win situation. It's definitely more reliable than trying to link the clue to the Master. Or whoever else you have in mind?
My problem with you is that town roles just don't seem to fit you. Leaving aside all the sophistry, I'll ask you directly - who do you suggest we execute? Besides the Master. You are suggesting that he be executed, aren't you? Who else is on the list?

Win-win is actually for the town. Because during the day, a mafia member is executed, and at night, the serial killer draws the Shapeshifter's ultimate ability and the mafia's kill onto himself, so the town survives the night without losses.
If the Shapeshifter's ultimate ability is directed at you, that will be a plus for the town, as the town role will not be blocked and will not be deprived of its vote. Revealing the serial killer now, when the negatives can almost go through, is a necessity. This is a deliberate confrontation aimed at protecting the town.

As I said before, I find Revan and Gumer suspicious. The first one simply comes, leaves a couple of posts, and leaves. The second one "reveals" himself, but doesn't provide any justification, and doesn't get a modkill for the reveal.