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It was also more interesting to watch Stinger vs Vudush, especially since their 2 streams gathered MANY TIMES more viewers than all the streams of the other 8 players.
You know, that's also an indicator – people choose what's best for themselves.
Don't count Vudush, he came to Heroes with his own audience, most of whom are not interested in Heroes from other streamers, but are interested in this particular streamer.
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We played 3 FFA games before this, and there were no arguments between the players, and the 2x2 tournament was also smooth. But in those tournaments, Lucky and Goma weren't together.
You shouldn't blame everything on the participants. You, as the organizer and judge, are primarily to blame for what happened.

Instead of stopping the conflicts right at the beginning, immediately giving the participants a warning to play and not settle scores, otherwise disqualification (and that would have been the end of it),


instead of intervening in the game and stopping what was happening at the moment of the second hit-and-run on Savitar (after the crash),
you just sit there and spit on the ceiling while your favorite, Gomunguls, blatantly cheats on his turn, violating the rules of fair play, and at the same time openly mocks and provokes another participant in the tournament.

If you had maintained order in your tournament, there would have been no arguments, and Savitar wouldn't have burned out. Savik burned out primarily because of your slowness and leniency as a judge.

At the same time, in the end, you, as a judge, didn't do anything to Goma for his incorrect behavior. Facepalm. Or
- violation of the rules of the game (blatant cheating, fundamentally changing the outcome of the game, instead of replaying the turn),
- mocking the opponent,
- openly provoking the opponent,
are not grounds for any sanctions against Goma from the judges? Where are the consequences for Goma for his incorrect behavior towards his opponent?

Just incompetent judging.



And what about the organization?

Here, too, everything is "excellent."
- the chat has turned into a garbage dump, where there is open mudslinging of tournament participants. As an organizer, can you, for example, explain to your viewers that forming alliances is a normal phenomenon for FFA and is fully allowed by the rules? Can you stop the insults directed at the participants of your tournament?

- you, as an organizer, openly favor one of the participants, while also treating some of the tournament players with disdain. Do you think the judge/organizer should be neutral?

- when Savitar burned out (primarily because of your fault as a judge), instead of letting him cool down and resolving the conflict:
for example, explaining that such actions are not grounds for excluding a player from the tournament (and even then, I wouldn't be so sure about that), and that Goma's incorrect actions will not go unnoticed, and that there will be consequences for them (for example, reducing his prize money, etc.). There are many options.
Resolve the conflict so that Savitar returns to the game and finishes the tournament. But no, you don't give a damn,

and at the same time you say something like:
he would have lost anyway, and now he is just demanding that my favorite, Goma, be disqualified from the tournament, because he simply has no chance of winning against Goma in a fair game, if he continues, and it is only for this reason (and not because of Goma's incorrect actions) that Savitar is demanding a disqualification.

And such things are said by the tournament organizer! The organizer, for God's sake! Are you out of your mind?

Are you a telepath and read Savitar's mind to say such a thing?
Are you a psychic and saw the future where Gom would crush Savitar if he continued?
Or maybe Savitar is such a bad player that he has no chance against Goma (even though Savitar has an army and stat advantage), and it is okay to say such things about him? Take some time to find out what Savitar's win rate against Goma is, and what place Savitar and Goma took in the CIS.

The tournament organizer, based on his personal sympathies and assumptions (assumptions, for God's sake!), slanders (slanders, for God's sake!) one of the participants! This is simply a disgrace, I have no other words.

I sincerely hope that the guys will think carefully before participating in your next FFA.
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In any case, everyone who watched FFA #3 should draw a conclusion for the future when watching such events: why rush if you can stay in the respawn area and constantly be second to last, and then just split the money.

P.S. You have interesting participants; I have nothing against the redhead (or whatever she has now), but last year's +Amilu, +Vudush, and this year's participants are an indicator of the current state of the Heroes community and the situation in general.
Sorry, ATG and Maretti, we messed it all up.

And it was also more interesting to watch Stinger vs. Vudush, especially since their 2 streams gathered MANY MORE viewers than all the streams of the 8 players.
You know, that's also an indicator – people choose what's best for themselves.
Yeah, she should have rushed headlong into the center and gotten wrecked there. The level of understanding of the game among some viewers (and even players) is astonishing.

P.S. 90% of Vudush's viewers are not from the Heroes community.
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A Savitar fanboy got rekt, lol.
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You shouldn't blame everything on the participants. You, as the organizer and judge, are primarily to blame for what happened.



And who are you, and what do you want?
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And the most interesting thing is that if the issue were addressed properly, there would be nothing to criticize... But it has never been the case, and here we go again – part of the constructive feedback is surrounded by an inadequate framework, and as a result, we have a situation where, despite some quite reasonable "coca-fueled" complaints, the overall result is an absolute "coca-fueled mess"... Because the amount of unnecessary stuff exceeds the amount of constructive feedback.
But I, for my part, am meticulous. And I will keep repeating myself until I am given a clear explanation. Why wasn't the battle save of Goma loaded when it became clear that the auto-save was bugged? Maybe I was too distracted while reviewing the remaining logs, but I didn't see a single attempt to load the battle save...
For now, it looks like, on the one hand, an inexperienced organizer didn't intervene in time in an obvious game moment, and on the other hand, an experienced player decided that in this case, it was possible to "bypass the generally accepted rules" (including for games played according to the Anarchy rules)...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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The most interesting thing is that if the issue had been addressed properly, there would have been nothing to criticize... But it never happens that way, and here again – part of the constructive feedback is surrounded by an inadequate framework, and as a result, we have a situation where, despite some quite fair "coca-fueled" complaints, the overall result is some kind of absolute "coca-fueled mess"... Because the amount of unnecessary stuff exceeds the amount of constructive feedback.
But I, for my part, am meticulous. And I will keep repeating myself until it is explained to me. Why wasn't the battle save of Goma loaded when it became clear that the auto-save was bugged? Maybe I was too high when I reviewed the remaining logs, but I didn't see a single attempt to load the battle save...
For now, it looks like, on the one hand, an inexperienced organizer-judge didn't intervene in time in an obvious game moment, and on the other hand, an experienced player-participant decided that in this case, it was possible to "bypass the generally accepted rules" (including for games played according to the Anarchy rules)...

Merlin burst in and laid out his organizational experience on the table :)
The crash occurred when Goma was passing his turn; battles were being loaded that day, but they didn't help, only the turn transition.
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Battles were loading that day, but they weren't helping; only turn transitions were happening.
Is there a video of this, perhaps from a stream? If it's not too much trouble, could you provide a link with a timestamp to the loading of the Gomunculus battle save? I saw this in the recording here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/670644698
12:58:27 - A crash occurs.
13:00:40 - Gomunculus loads automatically.
13:04:02 - Savitar starts hosting the loading of his auto-save.

So, only the auto-save was loaded, and they didn't even touch the battle saves.

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And Cocaine should stop using:
"Easy jumps into the unknown with the main hero and covering the opponent's main hero without scouting. Some things don't change over the years. Who said stream sniping? You must be mistaken."
In the first video, in your description: the edge of the outer tavern above the stone was visible, then a scouting of the ground was done, and it was seen that there was a chance to reach the city.
In the second, it's not clear what's being discussed - scouting of the air was done both before and after taking the city.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=11h52m52s - here's the first one
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=11h53m24s - here's the second one
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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Yeah, I need to check out the recording, what a mess :smile42:
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absolutely "cocaine trash"
I stand by my nickname.
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And Cocaine should stop using:
Noted.

Actually, there already was a Tournament game where Gomungulus won because, after loading the save, he made a completely different (and, of course, more effective) move, thereby securing his victory with a "dirty" play.
And then, no rematch was demanded of him; he got away with it.
However, now he also got away with it (thanks to Yaru), because he achieved his goal, and with his (shamelessly) dirty play and inappropriate behavior, he drove his opponent to leave the game, and won against his opponent (who would have won in the end if Savitar hadn't left, I'm not sure), not by winning the game, but by winning with "external" methods. And all of this was done intentionally, in anticipation of such an outcome.


Initially, I wanted to insert a link to that game, but I can't find it. I would be grateful to anyone who can provide the link.
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Is there a video of this, perhaps from a stream? If it's not too much trouble, could you provide a link with a timestamp for the loading of the Gom battle save? Because I saw it in this recording: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/670644698
12:58:27 - A crash occurs.
13:00:40 - Gomunculus loads automatically.
13:04:02 - Savitar starts hosting the loading of his auto-save.

So, it was only the loading of an auto-save, and battle saves weren't even touched.

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And Cocaine should stop using:
"Easy jumps into the darkness with the main hero and overwhelming the opponent's main hero without scouting. Some things don't change over the years. Who said stream sniping? You must be mistaken."
In the first video, in your description: the edge of the outer tavern above the stone was visible, then a view of the ground was made, and it was seen that there was a chance to reach the city.
In the second, it's completely unclear what he's talking about - both before and after taking the city, a view of the air was made.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=11h52m52s - here's the first one
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=11h53m24s - here's the second one

You seem to be thorough, but you don't read my messages... I didn't say that Gom was loading, but that ON THAT day, someone was loading, search for it yourself, I don't have time to sort through your schizophrenia now
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You seem to be very meticulous, but you don't even read my messages... I didn't say that *you* uploaded it, but that it was uploaded *that day*, search for it yourself, I don't have time to deal with your schizophrenia right now.
Well, it's your schizophrenia, that's the thing...
You should respond like this: "Uploading a battle save doesn't fix the crash at the end of the turn."
Do you feel the difference between this wording and what you wrote earlier? :smile16:
You're teaching them, you're teaching them... :D
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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I haven't watched the game, but I listened to Tvarina's commentary about it. To Mont and everyone else writing about the "Fair Play" rule, have you even read what's written in that section of the rules? Personally, I couldn't find a single word in the Heroes of Might and Magic or Soda rules that says you can't take your turn after the opponent loads an autosave. It only talks about repeating a turn during a battle in case of a disconnection (game crash). Judging by the amount of "crap" that was spilled, there's no doubt that the players (Gom, Savitar, and Lucky) violated the very first point of the Fair Play rule: "Players must play fairly and respect each other!" As for taking a turn, everything was done under the control of Yar (the organizer/judge). Since he didn't stop the game or force Gom to replay his turn differently, it means it was done correctly.
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