The most useful monster. — General

IronAxe

10/6/2007 4:52 PM UTC

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Pandora;117062

That’s what I was trying to say... Level 3 is the best!!! And the Medusa is interesting, something new. It’s not often mentioned. Well, it’s useless against undead... And it seems to be useless against elementals too. In the sense that the poison doesn’t work. But overall, the archer is definitely great, I agree.

How are Medusas related to poison, or am I missing something?

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Zybr

10/6/2007 5:18 PM UTC

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IronAxe;117064

How are jellyfish related to poison, or am I missing something in that regard?

Well, not poison, but a petrifying gaze, but the area of effect is roughly the same.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Пандора

10/6/2007 5:20 PM UTC

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How are jellyfish related to poison, or am I missing something?

Apparently, yes... Because when a jellyfish attacks, it deals damage not only with its sting but also with paralyzing poison, right?

Not poison, but a petrifying gaze, but the area of effect is roughly the same.

Yes, it's a paralyzing poison/gas that doesn't affect undead, mechanical creatures, and elementals. That's how it's described in the game...

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BASON

10/6/2007 6:50 PM UTC

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Medusa is definitely very useful! It's strange that no one mentioned Medusa and she's not in the ranking. :( Although Minotaur is there. But on the other hand, Minotaur is more useful for offline play because of the "block" which, theoretically, can be turned into invulnerability to physical attacks. And even having just one Minotaur can change the outcome of the battle.

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OptiMAL

10/7/2007 7:16 AM UTC

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The Minotaur will be useful not only in offline mode but also in online battles.
The Medusa is good... but still, the Minotaur is somewhat better. In Equilibris, the Minotaur's block chance is increased to 40%!
Therefore, with the right tactics, you can tear the enemy apart.

:D

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BASON

10/7/2007 8:17 AM UTC

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OptiMAL;117156

The Minotaur will be useful not only offline but also online.
The Medusa is good... but still, the Minotaur is somewhat better. In Equilibris, the Minotaur's block is increased to 40% (block chance)!
Therefore, with the right tactics, you can tear the enemy apart.

Everything is absolutely correct! The Minotaur is better than it seems at first glance. I remember there was some battle with a neutral Dungeon faction unit, and my small squad of Minotaurs, bought as a backup (no more than 10), in an outer dwelling, withstood the onslaught of superior enemy forces, distracting their attention.
By the way, Minotaurs have a better chance of severely damaging 2 or more Black Dragons (a trick) than other monsters. The problem is that sacrificing a second-level unit might be a waste.

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Смерть попсы

10/7/2007 7:32 PM UTC

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Holy_Paladin;78147

Okay... three kings, and you can stop being afraid of anything:)

Do they even spawn anywhere?
I think sea monsters, mermaids, and megadragons are "rare".

Под холодную Луной порублю попсу косой (с) Decimacia

Пандора

10/7/2007 7:58 PM UTC

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Therefore, with the right tactics, you can shred the enemy.

I don't know... I think the computer blocks much more often than I do (when I use Minotaurs). So I highly doubt they'll shred... maybe on the first level. Medusas aren't bad either. And it's very difficult, or rather impossible, to choose the "right tactic" for the probability of a block, because it's impossible to predict this situation.

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Zybr

10/7/2007 8:25 PM UTC

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I agree, but the Medusa almost always sends an "extra" monster to the afterlife. So, the Medusa can be more useful than the Minotaur.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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Magnus

10/7/2007 8:35 PM UTC

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ZYbr;117325

I agree, but the medusa almost always sends an "unnecessary" monster to the afterlife. So, the medusa can be more useful than the minotaur.

Yes, but the minotaur is also useful. Of course, the medusa can cause some trouble, but if we teleport a golem to her, which cannot be turned to stone, then the medusa will be useless, while the minotaur will still fight the golem.

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Zybr

10/7/2007 8:48 PM UTC

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Magnus;117332

Yes, but the Minotaur is also useful. Of course, the Medusa can cause some trouble, but if we teleport a Golem to her, which cannot be turned to stone, then the Medusa will be useless, while the Minotaur can still fight the Golem.

Well, these are just minor details... if you teleport the Golem... then the Dragon will feast on the Haven Mage)):)

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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Magnus

10/7/2007 9:07 PM UTC

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ZYbr;117342

Well, these are just minor details... if you teleport a golem... then the Dragon will feast on the Haven mage)):)

But what if there is no Dragon? And what if there might be Hydras, and you don't have enough resources, for example? This isn't specified in the conditions, so you can ignore it.

Пандора

10/7/2007 9:17 PM UTC

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Yes, it was mentioned earlier that the Medusa is useless against certain monsters... This is a matter of strategy, which needs to be taken into account when planning. But in most cases, the Minotaur is still inferior to those same neutral creatures.

Lord Vampire

10/8/2007 4:16 AM UTC

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I'm very glad that my mention sparked such a lively discussion about this topic! I'd like to say that throughout my entire time playing the fourth game (4-5 years), I never built Minotaurs. I just don't like them. As for Medusas, they inflict petrification, have infinite arrows, and deal the same damage in melee – they're a great unit, especially if you gather around a hundred of them. Let's say you attack a strong (physically) hero. What will the Minotaurs do to him? They won't be able to do much, and the Medusas' shots won't do much either, but they'll be followed by petrification!

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

:smile24::smile24::smile24::smile24::smile24:

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IronAxe

10/8/2007 9:09 AM UTC

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Lord Vampire;117359

What will the minotaurs do to him? They won't be able to do anything, and the medusas won't do much with their shot either, but they will be followed by petrification)))

Therefore, for online play, medusas are more useful than minotaurs, and for offline play, minotaurs are more useful than medusas. When discussing the usefulness of monsters, at least consider it from the perspective of which type of tournament they will be used in.
In offline play, although rare, this pair of minotaur and medusa can sometimes interact very well. For example, one minotaur can protect a dozen medusas in a dispersed formation so that no one can reach them in melee combat. Then, by loading a save, the minotaur blocks the medusas, and they shoot everyone down, provided there are no magical units or archers in the enemy army.

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