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Dear community,

I would like to ask for your help in understanding the situation.

I am not an active promoter of our beloved game, I don't play it much, I occasionally watch streams, and I joined relatively recently at the invitation of baratorch from another project that he is actively reviving after its official closure (the card game MMDoC set in the Might & Magic universe), where I was an active top player and streamer for a long time.

So, today I had an interesting conversation with one of the active promoters of Heroes, a player, streamer, organizer, and commentator of tournaments, Yar (Yar_ki). During the conversation, he was informed about a post being made on the forum for discussion. The longer the conversation lasted, the more shocked I was by the attitude towards viewers and passive players from the more active members (see the conversation below).

It all started with the fact that at the end of today's stream of the game between Helllight and Zreitdl as part of the Synergy2020 tournament, the commentator Yar asked people to ask questions in the chat. I asked: "Why did you invite this noob (note: zreitdl) to Synergy?" Because, in my opinion, and in the opinion that was observed in the chat during the game, this player does not meet the average level of this tournament, in which the best active players were invited. I admit that the tournament organizer (Yar and the sponsors) may think otherwise; perhaps he received a wildcard, etc. Many in the chat were interested in the answer to this question because the player made many mistakes, acted uncertainly, and in the end, strangely gave up the game, leaving the entire army without a hero on the front line.

Immediately after that, I received an 8-hour mute with the message being deleted. After that, people in the chat said that one of the moderators (abbreviated as "green") started "waving his sword." Well, I thought, okay, it happens, moderators can be hot-headed. And almost immediately, I got banned (this is the first time for me in the last 7 years). I thought I would ask the channel owner what was wrong. Then there was a long conversation with the expression of our positions, which turned into a discussion of the relationship between active players (according to Yar, almost like gods) and viewers (as I understand it, the common folk).

What do you think about this? Perhaps there are some castes or gradations of players in this small community that we would like to develop, and I am simply not aware of them?

Who cares, they brought someone in to play, let them play. What do you care if they're good or not? If you're not interested, don't watch.

A new drama!
Have a nice day!

1. To the thread starter. The phrase "why was this noob (note: zreitdl) invited to the synergy?" is, in my opinion, quite dubious in itself, which is probably why there was a misunderstanding. You only provide justification for this phrase now, that is, afterward. In other words, being a "nobody" in the community, you allow yourself to make unprofessional and unsubstantiated judgmental statements about the skill level of a player. In other words, your message was perfectly interpreted by the streamer and viewers as an attempt to insult one of the players. If you had presented your arguments first, your message in the "chat" would have looked like this: "In my opinion, this player does not meet the average level of this tournament, in which the best active players were invited, for the following reasons: blah blah blah. I don't understand how this player ended up in this tournament? Please answer." But in the stream chat, you wrote exactly what you wrote. By the way, what made you think that the tournament is a tournament of the best active players? Yara's tournaments are just sponsored tournaments with personal invitations. The same goes for any other tournament of this format (there is no objective criterion for participation in the tournament). 2. The fact that Yara, not being an authoritative player in any way, but merely a novice organizer, has become "arrogant," I believe no one will argue with, including Yara himself: I simply advise Yara to think more carefully before saying anything on stream and to listen to the opinions of more experienced people. 3. Yara, you can be "against posting the correspondence" and "ask to be banned on the forum," but the fact is that this correspondence cannot be considered private, because if you carefully reread the user agreement on Twitch (as well as in any modern social network), you will find that the content posted (which includes text messages on the site, regardless of their address), in general, does not belong to you at all (or belongs, but not only to you), and you voluntarily and free of charge transfer it for use by third parties. By posting the correspondence from Twitch, the thread starter did not violate anything. The correspondence does not contain any information that constitutes a personal or family secret, nor does it contain personal data. Your consent is not required in this case.

Merlin, have you heard that if no one asks for advice, it's better not to give it? But you're an old man, so you can. As for that guy, I was just provoking him in every way possible. Got a big head? Examples? Overall, I'm behaving adequately.

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and I need to prove to you how good I am as a player) what can you do, let's play) okay, I'm kidding, think whatever you want.

well, I need to prove the player's authority to you)

I actually don't: a player's authority is earned over years and victories in Tournaments. An organizer's authority — over years and organized tournaments.
You have neither yet (in a couple of years you'll be rated as an organizer - if you don't lose points).
As for being a player - I'm always ready to play. SoD. Any classical template except Jebus Cross (I fundamentally do not play Jebus Cross, and it is not classical). We could test the same "smka" with the new fresh-mod without connected options. Let me know :) Just find a sponsor - so there's motivation, the show must go on!
Weekdays after 18-00 Moscow time or weekends from 12-00 Moscow time by agreement.

So you’ll be a sponsor :D

So, there won’t be a match? I was just getting ready, and now this.

I'm ready – the clueless one retreated.

Why is Merlin so funny? Did they drop him into a funhouse as a child? I'm not against playing, when I have time, maybe next week.

Why is Merlin so funny? Was he dropped into a comedy show as a child? I don't mind playing when I have time, maybe next week.

Why is YaR so unintelligent? Was he only sent to the nearest store as a child?
I said I'll play when I have time. But I won't run after you – I don't need to prove anything to anyone.
And the phrase "maybe next week" clearly indicates a reluctance to play. It's understandable – it's much easier to "steal" viewers and prize pools than to build them up through your own gameplay.
In short, find sponsors and announce a mega-series with Ded on all Soda templates (except Jebus, of course) – that would be something!

Now, a point for the thread starter. If you disagree with someone's policy and the quality of the Tournaments, just organize your own: no one is stopping you, on the contrary – everyone will be for it. And criticizing the organizer without being a pro player or an organizer yourself is pointless, because no one will even take it seriously.

Since the topic has turned to skill and show matches, does anyone maintain contact with ATG? I'm watching today's games on m200 featuring top players and remembering Alex's gameplay on m200, and I can't understand whether today's top players simply don't know how to play m200, or if Alex is a god :) Find him and organize a match with some veteran player, like Papashka, Gomungulus, or Bishop – that would be a real show! I think sponsors for this event would be easy to find; if someone sponsored a match featuring Zreitdl, I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing to watch a game featuring Alex.

Yes, the issue isn't that the organizer's friend (zreitdl) was invited. That's his right. The question is how Yar, who quickly gained popularity by commentating on other people's games, treats his audience, because he could just as quickly lose it. I think it's wrong to be happy on his stream about banning people left and right. Merlin gave good advice: to think about his attitude towards the audience, which ultimately determines the streamer's position in a conditional ranking.

Take, for example, the universally loved Tvarina, who used to get emotional quite easily, but after 5-10 minutes would try to smooth things over, because despite his large audience, he valued his Community and would periodically unban participants in conflicts. (Yar, don't even think about unbanning me – I don't need that).

Therefore, I'm just asking you to think about your attitude and the responsibility that comes with it. Unlike other skilled players, it's much harder for you to maintain viewer engagement, because it's only at its peak during other people's tournament games.

EPAM.grade, you showed clear disrespect towards one of the participants, and as a result, you received a fair ban. What complaints could you possibly have? If you believe that asking a question in such a manner is appropriate, then you clearly have some issues with your upbringing. You can feel however you want about zreitdl, but this is Yara's tournament, and it's his decision who to invite and who not to.