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TOURNAMENT OF THE FOUR LAKES
I invite you to participate in an unofficial Heroes 4 tournament. The Tournament of the Four Lakes will be held on the Heroes 4: Times of War version. To participate in the tournament, you must be a registered user.
Participation procedure:
1) Submit your application in this thread. I will be online on the forum on the following days of the week: Monday, Tuesday, Saturday, Sunday. If your application remains unanswered for some time, don't worry, I will come and register you.
2) Download the save and the map, figure out all the tricks, complete it, and create a final save. The final save should contain a single action, the completion of which results in the player's victory. Send the save to sandroxxl@mail.ru. The save should also have the following format:
PARTICIPANT NUMBER_PARTICIPANT NICKNAME_XXL :)
For example: 01_ SandroXXL_XXL
If you include a brief description of the final battle and/or the strategy used (in just a few words) in the archive with the final save, it will be greatly appreciated.
3) Tournament dates. Since the tournament is amateur and serves as a kind of training before the Forum Tournament, its dates will be: from September 8, 2007, to September 25, 2007 (until 23:00 Moscow time). The results will be published on September 30.
Tournament rules:
1) The game is played on the Heroes 4: Times of War version.
2) The use of cheat codes and third-party programs is prohibited (but I still hope for your integrity). ;)
3) Restarting or editing the starting save is prohibited.
4) Using exploits on the battlefield is prohibited (see point #2).
The main goal of the map: to defeat all players. The main criterion for victory: the number of days spent on combat operations (i.e., the fewer, the better). The secondary criterion: the total amount of HP of all heroes controlled by the player.
I think that's all. Ask if anything is unclear, and good luck to all!
Yes, I forgot to mention. At the beginning, you must choose a companion - a female mage (a level 5 hero). You can choose from: priest, mage, druid, and sorceress. The choice you make will slightly affect the gameplay.
Dear tournament participants! The deadline will be extended by one week, i.e., the tournament will end on October 2 at 23:00, and the results will be published on October 6. I hope this time is enough for you, and I wish everyone good luck!

Official tournament results.
Place Days Full HP Player Nickname
1_____9____710___IronAxe
2_____12___665___LeSHiJ MaX
3_____24___600___Lu41k
4_____59___680___Starhan
5_____79___980___Arandor
6_____144__920___General ZeT

Other conquerors of the lake kingdoms:
OptiMAL
Pandora
Kself
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Kamikaze;113465
Why is the tournament unofficial?

A counter-question: why should it be official? Was the required number of participants reached?

to all:
SandroXXL will be online tomorrow, but he assured me that the deadline for this tournament will be extended...

P.S. at the request of those who wanted it ;)
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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OO))Awesome))Thank you so much))):smile03: I am very grateful for this... Now I and everyone else will have enough time)))


"Как это странно всегда..
Вроде бы взрослые люди,
А в голове ерунда..
Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."
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Ley;113466
A counter-question: why should it be official? Was a quorum reached?
We can help reach the quorum :) Sign me up too. I'm playing for the quorum. We've already discussed that if a quorum is reached, the rating can be considered as a tournament. Whether it's an official tournament or not doesn't matter – as long as it's conducted at a proper level and reaches the quorum. Also, it's unclear why the secondary criterion will be the HP of all heroes the player has on the final save, although this isn't crucial – it can be done that way if you like. According to the rules, I understand that only "hiding" is prohibited among the bug-fixes, everything else is allowed, including "graveyard technologies." Is that correct?
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IronAxe;113534
We'll help you reach the quorum :) Sign me up too.

Keep it up! ;)

IronAxe;113534
Also, it's unclear why the secondary criterion will be the HP of all heroes the player has on the final save, although this isn't critical – it can be done that way if that's what's preferred.

Well, they need to differentiate themselves somehow... :) SandroXXL wanted it this way – it's his right, after all... And why not? At least there won't be identical results for sure ;)

IronAxe;113534
According to the rules, I understand that only "hiding" is actually prohibited among the bug-features, everything else is allowed, including "graveyard technologies." Is that correct?

But it's best not to rush with this... I think some aspects of the prohibitions will still be clarified and implemented.

Sincerely, Ley.
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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Param, and here I am! So, let's start in order.
LeSHiJ-MaX
I don't know how to play offline, but I'll still participate. I'm not aiming for a good place, but I hope I won't be last if someone else also sends in a result. I sent the save file from the walkthrough of the last action on autopilot; I didn't figure out the save file format that needs to be sent, "01_ SandroXXL_XXL," what is XXL, and why are there two of them? If it's important, I'll send a different one.
LeSHiJ-MaX, if there's an error in the name of the final save file, nothing terrible will happen. In your case, it will be 07_LeSHiJ-MaX_XXL. XXL is, as Ley correctly noted (by the way, thank you for your support), just a part of my nickname and doesn't require anything from you. It's just more convenient for me. The save file didn't arrive; please resend it!
Lu41k
Dear SandroXXL, I have a big request to extend the deadline for the Tournament. Not everyone has time to finish the map. Real-life problems are slowing things down. If this is possible, I would be very grateful, and not just me.
Lu41k (and everyone else who doesn't have time to complete the map but wants to be grateful to me:)), the deadline has been extended to October 2nd, and the results will be announced on October 6th.
IronAxe
According to the rules, I understand that only "hiding" is actually prohibited from the bug-features, everything else is allowed, including "graveyard technologies."
IronAxe, I didn't quite understand your professional jargon; what are "graveyard technologies"? Please write to me in a private message. Otherwise,
I still hope for your conscientiousness.
The amount of HP was introduced simply for variety; for example, there used to be an amount of mercury or gold, but this is something new.
Ley
Well, you have to stand out from the rest...
You have also been registered; good luck!
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LeSHiJ-MaX, if there's an error in the final save name, nothing terrible will happen. In your case, it will be 07_LeSHiJ-MaX_XXL. XXL is, as Ley correctly pointed out (thanks for the support, by the way), just a part of my nickname and doesn't require anything from you. It's just more convenient for me. The save didn't arrive, please resend it!
Maybe it's for the best, I was just expecting to see IronAxe here. There was hope for a more or less decent placement :D. I'll try to replay and improve my result, because compared to IronAxe's 5-6 days, my result will look rather weak :smile13:. Besides, the deadline has been slightly extended.
С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"
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Yes, I didn't expect that either, and now they decided to include us in the ranking... Oh, what's going on!
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Maybe it's for the best; I was just expecting to see IronAxe here. I had hoped for a more or less decent placement :D. I'll try to replay and improve my result, because compared to IronAxe's 5-6 days, my result will look rather weak :smile13:. Moreover, the deadline has been slightly extended.
Don't worry. I'm playing just to meet the quorum. However, I'm not playing completely randomly; I tried to do something, but I don't think it turned out very well. And I wanted to finish today because I'm going fishing for a couple of days. But I couldn't take the last Fortress :) I need to replay two turns - then I'll take it - thank goodness the tournament has been extended. But there won't be time to improve the result. If I replay from an even earlier turn, there are complicated battles and many more turns to go - I won't have enough time, even with the extension. Besides, I'm stuck on the eighth stage of the third map - and the deadline is approaching there. So, it's been a very unlucky month for me :( Well, then, I'll wish good luck to others, both on the third and fourth maps, in these current offline tournaments!!!

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IronAxe, I didn't quite understand your professional jargon, what are "grave technologies"? Please write in PM.
I don't have time to write in PM; I'm already not thinking clearly - I need to go fishing - I haven't slept yet. In short, we won't be wrong if the rules here are the same as in the 4th stage of the Kanighem tournament. Grave Technologies is using the spacebar to pull out the hero's tomb from under the monsters when he is killed. Without this, the tomb cannot be retrieved if the monsters are not defeated. In the 4th stage of Kanighem, in the Zveroboy training tournament, this trick was allowed. Since there was no explicit prohibition on it, I naturally planned my Walkthrough using this trick.
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Ah, I see what you mean. No, I didn't ban this trick. If I were against it, I would have mentioned it in the rules. Moreover, trying to identify such exploits isn't a good idea, so all participants can take advantage of this bug.
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I sent the save file. Improved the result by 2 days. I think that if the difference is 7 days from IronAxe, that would be good. Now all that's left is to wait for the results. It's a pity that I couldn't find out how and where to use the Necropolis technology. Good luck to all participants.
С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"
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I sent the save file. I improved the result by 2 days. I think that if the difference is 7 days from IronAxe, that would be good. :D
Now all that's left is to wait for the results and :smile11:.
It's a pity that I couldn't find out how and where to use the "graveyard" technology.
P.S. Good luck to all participants:D
For example, you can use the "graveyard" technology to replenish mana reserves, but this only applies to demons, and does not affect heroes and units-mages that do not have combat spells. Or, in one turn, transfer the hero's "graveyard" to the castle using units lined up in a chain. This is useful for "softening" a neutral unit with a hero, pulling the "graveyard" out from under the unit, transferring it to the castle, and then attacking with an army with a live hero at the head, or continuing to "finish off" the neutral army (for example, for resources or an artifact).
In general, there are so many different tricks for using the "graveyard" that probably no post would be enough!
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For example, you can use the graveyard mechanic to replenish mana reserves, but this only applies to demons, heroes, and magic units that do not have a combat spell. Or, in one turn, transfer the hero's graveyard to the castle using units lined up in a chain. This is useful for "softening" a neutral unit, pulling the graveyard out from under the unit, transferring it to the castle, and then attacking with an army led by a living hero, or continuing to "finish off" the neutral army (for example, for resources or an artifact).
In general, there are so many different ways to use the graveyard that no post would be enough to cover them all!
BASON, hello, and what about you, aren't you participating?:rolleyes:? You could play through the map, and after the tournament, explain where and how you used the technologies.
С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"
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BASON hello, and what about you, aren't you participating? :rolleyes: After the tournament, I could go through the map and explain where and how you used certain technologies.
Not everything appeals to me in the offline game. Especially using "loopholes" to win. For example, 1 Fairy against 1000 Peasants. You can win, but it takes so long! And if I don't have time for such feats, but someone else does? This can fundamentally change the entire strategy! And also, all these graveyards are like a relay race... In short, it's not for me: if there's a battle, it should be quick and effective! But here, it turns into a game with long deliberations about the next step and endless replays. In general, to each their own!
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A counter-question: why should it be official? Was a quorum reached?
In short, I don't care whether it's official or not. What matters is that there's a ranking system, and everything else is secondary. It's just a matter of what to call it.

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