Heroes 3 (HEROECOPALKA) — Tournament history (offline)

IronAxe

18 years ago

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Radik;112811

I can only advise you to do it manually – I have never spent more than 5-8 hours searching for the hero I need (and that's the maximum; usually, it takes an hour or two). And, to be honest, I still do it manually... Of course, there are some nuances...

Here, Dmitry AS said that he doesn't always succeed. Regarding the nuances, I only search in the right window of the tavern because I might need the hero in the left window later this week. Then, after I got rid of the unwanted hero, my desired hero ran away and blocked the right window of the tavern. I have a save before the escape – save1. I also have a save from the moment when the runaway hero appeared there – save2. Now, I'm digging for the hero starting from save2, periodically saving from it to another save – as if I'm trying to influence the random counter. Then, I tried saving save1 as save1N, running away from it again, and then saving as save2N and digging again – but it didn't work. What a nuisance! Does anyone else have similar experience? I'm curious – after the tournament, will anyone try to prove from my save that it's possible to dig up the hero I need? :)
PS. And for some reason, everyone ignored the fact that you can use codes in a save to see who's in another tavern. As if no one was interested. Maybe someone didn't understand what I was talking about, but if they did and are silent? That raises some suspicions. You can also look in your own tavern. With my "Axe-digger," I could have dug up whoever I needed in five minutes. But the "Hero-digger" fits the rules, but it doesn't work for me. And the "Axe-digger" doesn't fit the rules

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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1. In the tavern, two heroes of the same class will never appear. This can be a problem – if Pasis is in the right slot, Moner won't appear in the left! This is just an example. You either need to dig in the right slot, or (the excavator often refuses to dig in the right slot) change the hero in the right slot and continue digging in the left.

2. Check in the editor to make sure the desired hero isn't disabled.

3. If the map author changed the hero's portrait, you need to dig based on the portrait, not the name – that's how the excavator searches for heroes.

4. It's best to avoid using scan programs, just to be safe. :)

Ley

18 years ago

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Well, I think Iron is looking for a hero of a different class:), so point 1 won't work. He already wrote about the editor - it's not quite what he needs either. I always dig through manually (although I didn't want to write about it), of course, not for 2 days:), but, as a rule, not less than an hour, sometimes even more... but the result was ALWAYS achievable, sooner or later, but I still saw the face I needed in the window.

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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AmberSoler;112914

1. Two heroes of the same class will never appear in the tavern. This can be a problem – if a hero is in the right slot, a hero of the same class won't appear in the left slot! For example. You either need to dig in the right slot, or (the excavator often refuses to dig in the right slot) change the hero in the right slot and continue digging in the left.

:) Wow, I didn't know that. Do you mean heroes of the same class are just heroes from the same type of fortress? Well, that makes sense. I was digging for a Swamp creature in the right window, and there was also a Swamp creature in the left window, and I only realized that by looking at the troops in his inventory.

AmberSoler;112914

3. If the map author has changed a hero's portrait, you need to dig based on the portrait, not the name – that's how the excavator searches for heroes.

Why not by code? :)

AmberSoler;112914

4. It's better not to use scanning programs, just to be safe... :)

Well, what could happen? I just use HexEdit to look at a save file that I saved separately from the clean save. I look at the numbers, like in the Matrix, and I can see who's sitting at the computer in the taverns. I don't use this save file for the rest of the playthrough; it's just to be safe. :)
PS. Should I replay? :) I've already bought a bunch of others.

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DmitriyAS

18 years ago

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IronAxe;113027

:) Well, I didn't know that. Do you mean that heroes of the same class are just heroes from the same type of castle? Well, that makes sense. I was looking at a Swamp creature in the right window, and there was also a Swamp creature in the left window, and I only realized that by looking at the types of troops in his inventory. :)

I meant two classes that are specific to heroes of the same "faction." For the Swamp creatures you mentioned, these are the Beast Master and the Sorceress.

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vbn

18 years ago

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Tip for those who use Heroecopalka for Heroes 3:
The digging speed directly depends on the number of saves in the ''..\Games'' folder of Heroes 3.
This is not very noticeable with a small number of saves, but when there are 200-300...
To solve this problem, you can temporarily move all unnecessary saves to another folder.

Example.
Map 72 x 72, processor AMD Sempron 2800+, RAM 512.
If there is 001 save in the ''..\Games'' folder, then 55 digs occur in 2 minutes.
If there are 300 saves in the ''..\Games'' folder, then 45 digs occur in 2 minutes.

The digging speed slowed down by more than 22%.
Quite a lot, especially if the desired hero is difficult to dig up.

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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Dmitry_A_S;113032

I meant two classes that are characteristic of heroes from the same "faction." For the aforementioned Swamp faction, these are the Beast Master and the Sorceress.

Well, I don't remember right now who is the Sorceress and who is the Beast Master. Anyway, I don't think this is a discussion about the tournament – because I could have asked this in another place, and it still doesn't say anything. For example, Verdish is a Sorceress, right? And Voy – who is he? He looks like a man, and even in the picture, it's not clear; where can I find him now? Is he also a Sorceress?
P.S. Then it's still unclear. On the first day of the week, can two heroes of different classes but from the same type of Castle appear in the tavern??? It's just luck – you might get more of the same type of troops. :)

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Ley

18 years ago

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vbn;113039

Tip for those using Heroecopalka for Heroes 3:
The program's performance speed directly depends on the number of save files in the "..\Games" folder of Heroes 3.
This isn't very noticeable with a small number of saves, but when there are 200-300...
To solve this, you can temporarily move all saves except the one you're working with to another folder.

Wow! Does it dig much slower if there are 50-60 saves?

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IronAxe;113046

I don't remember who's the witch and who's the beastmaster right now. Anyway, I don't think this is a discussion about the tournament - because I could have asked in another place, and it still doesn't say anything. For example, Verdish is a witch, right? And what about Warlord? He looks like a man, and it's not clear from the picture, so where do I find him now? Is he also a witch?

Check in the editor: there's a section called "heroes," which has two types, like witch and beastmaster. You go into one of them, and there are all the witches :), in the other - there are all the "beasts" ;)

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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Ley;113047

Check in the editor: there's a section called "heroes," and it has two types, like a witch and a beastmaster. You go into one, and all the witches are there :), and in the other, all the "beasts" are there ;)

:) Oh, I really messed up! And this silly Witch on the left, and the Warlock, turns out to be a witch too :) And I was wondering why I couldn't find this dog anywhere :) So, maybe at the beginning of the week, there can be two heroes from ONE castle, but of different classes???

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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IronAxe;113046

Well, for example, Verdish is a Sorceress, right? And who is Voi?

Verdish and Voi have the same class: "Sorceress," and they will never appear together in the tavern. Iron, you have my reference guide – all the classes are listed on the first page... :)

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IronAxe;113052

Could it be that at the beginning of the week, there are two heroes from the SAME Castle, but of different classes???

Yes, the limitation is only on the classes, but not on the city.

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DmitriyAS

18 years ago

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vbn;113039

Tip for those using Heroecopalka for Heroes 3:
The program's speed directly depends on the number of save files in the "..\Games" folder of Heroes 3.
This isn't very noticeable with a small number of saves, but when there are 200-300...
To solve this, you can temporarily move all unnecessary saves to another folder.

This is not related to the operation of "Heroecopalka," but to the operation of the game itself, specifically, the number of files in the Games directory affects the speed of reading files, and this is what causes the "extraction" process to be slower. The "Heroecopalka" itself is not the problem here.
Try to verify this empirically. Launch Heroes, click on single player, load. The difference in loading time for saved files with different quantities is quite noticeable. What do you expect, a computer is also just a machine...;)

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IronAxe

18 years ago

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AmberSoler;113056

Verdish and Voy have the same class: "witch," and they will never appear together in the tavern. Iron, you have my guide – all the classes are listed on the first page... :)

Now it's clear. But it's hard to remember what's on which page when you're playing five versions of Heroes. That's why I don't remember or quickly forget many details; I only manage to stay afloat by trying to adhere to the general principles of the game. :)
P.S. And the guide doesn't have the most important thing, as Ley said, like it doesn't mention that two heroes of the same class cannot appear in the tavern. Dmitry AS says he didn't know that either.

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AmberSoler;113056

Verdish and Voy have the same class: "witch," and they will never appear together in the tavern. Iron, you have my guide – all the classes are listed on the first page... :)

And why are the red heroes at the end of the list in the guide? Their classes match those of other cities. Can they appear with anyone, or does the class still matter?

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Ley

18 years ago

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IronAxe;113120

Why are the red heroes at the end of the list in the reference? Their classes match those of other cities. Can they appear with anyone, or does the class also matter?

This question should have been asked in the appropriate thread ;) - "reference..."

But these are just ordinary heroes, only they are usually used more often in campaigns, but with the right actions, they can also be easily placed in a regular scenario, for example, Kilgor (specialty - monsters, class - barbarian) - nothing unusual ;). If you mark them with checkmarks in the hero properties in the editor, they will also appear in the regular tavern next to other heroes, such as Aiden :).

And the class ALWAYS matters.

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Radik

18 years ago

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AmberSoler;113056

Verdish and Voy have the same class: "sorceress," and they will never meet together in the tavern. Iron, you have my reference book – all the classes are listed on the first page... :)

But I disagree here – heroes of the same class can still meet together in the tavern.