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Grando

10/25/2018 2:27 PM UTC

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Since
Reviews and debriefings
Analysis
CSV
and all that

What you dreamed of, but were afraid to believe was possible. Finally, you can "calmly" discuss any topic. All the best in one place.
More interesting than Solovyov and Malakhov's talk shows combined.
All forum rules are written, they are in effect, but no one still reads them (sarcasm), and even moderators sometimes personally participate when they don't have time to immediately figure out where the discussion on the topic ends and where the off-topic, flooding, flaming, and most importantly, the ARGUMENTATION begins. :smile33:
And we'll start right away with the best thing we have - the SoD vs. HotA holy war. :smile13:
p.s. This topic was created to move escalating off-topic discussions from other topics here, so that there is an opportunity to continue discussing what you really want to discuss, and at the same time not overload the existing (and probably even useful) topic, which the heated discussion no longer fits into. Well, and obviously, if something goes wrong here, let it go wrong here, rather than somewhere else.

* except for current political conflicts

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sir Davos Seaworth

10/27/2018 9:48 AM UTC

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=Lizard=

. And we would have come to it through official channels.

It's a great relief that the third installment of the series managed to avoid such disgrace and degradation.

"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
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Dirty_Player

10/27/2018 11:38 AM UTC

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sir Davos Seaworth

It is a huge blessing that the third heroes managed to avoid such shame and degradation

I wouldn't choose such harsh expressions. Yes, there are many controversial points from the perspective of the classic heroes, but there are also very many successful solutions.

To make the comparison clearer, let's imagine that the 3DO/nwc company had gone under after the release of ROE, and SoD had been made by a fan group. How much outpouring would there have been?) In terms of balance, just look at the Conflux. It raises far more questions than the Cove.

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=Lizard=

10/27/2018 11:47 AM UTC

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People who don't want to analyze anything (and are they even capable of it?) are left with nothing but harsh expressions. The situation here is similar to a conversation in an alley between a straight-A student and a thug. No matter what the first one says, the second one has a knife and brass knuckles, which means he's right.

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sir Davos Seaworth

10/27/2018 12:18 PM UTC

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=Lizard=

People who don't want to analyze anything (and are they even capable of it?) are left with nothing but harsh expressions. The situation here is similar to a conversation in an alley between a straight-A student and a thug. No matter what the first one says, the second one has a knife and brass knuckles, which means he's right.

I assume that the knife and brass knuckles here refer to the guitar in the avatar?:D

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=Lizard=

10/27/2018 12:22 PM UTC

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sir Davos Seaworth

I assume that "knife and castet" here refers to the guitar in the avatar?:D

I was wrong, you are quite capable of analysis. And of a very deep kind. And with very logical conclusions. And with very funny sarcasm. Well done!

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Marcus Aurelius

10/28/2018 6:57 AM UTC

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Although it is made much better than the original, which is obvious. What is wrong with it, can anyone say? Instead of reasoned criticism, we only see disrespectful attitude towards someone else's work, and a huge amount of work was put into HOTA. If anyone has recently seen the movie "Ready Player One", I think that delving into HOTA and a detailed analysis of the developers' work can be compared to studying the life of Halliday by Easter egg hunters in that movie. I can't imagine a more respectful attitude towards the original from modders. What else do these people want, when they talk about "shame and degradation"?

sir Davos Seaworth

10/28/2018 11:03 AM UTC

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Marcus Aurelius

Instead of reasoned criticism,
we only see disrespectful treatment of someone else's work.

I can't imagine what criticism is possible. A malicious caricature of a masterpiece is beyond criticism. I don't see any point in wasting time listing everything that exists in Heroes and doesn't exist in HotA, and vice versa.

Marcus Aurelius

I can't imagine a more respectful attitude towards the original from modders.

a more *disrespectful* attitude.

Marcus Aurelius

What else do these people want,
when they talk about "shame and degradation"?

Only one thing. That HotA stops being presented as "improved Heroes 3." It's a completely different game.

Let me explain with an example.
Let's say a hypothetical Stas Mikhailov records a mega-popular song, using a remix of Mozart's "Requiem" as the melody. No objections.
But if, at the same time, he declares himself the new, "improved Mozart," and his numerous fans start shouting this at every corner, that would look ridiculous.
The same goes for HotA. It is only connected to Heroes 3 by the "borrowed" engine, and nothing more.
Everything that people like in Heroes 3 has been removed or replaced with something else in it. Do you like it? Yes, please! Play it as much as you want, organize Tournaments, etc.
But why try to pass it off as Heroes 3, and even impose this on others?!

I understand that my words are unlikely to have the desired effect,
and I alone cannot protect Heroes 3 from hordes of angry fanatics. In the future, I will try to ignore attacks on Heroes 3 (the question is whether I will succeed).

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Puzzz0

10/28/2018 12:15 PM UTC

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sir Davos Seaworth

But why even try to pass her off as a third hero, and even force this idea on everyone?!

Hey you, yes you, Serсик, quickly close the forum, you've been posting here too much, and immediately create a lobby called "JC L 4-3-2 only pro" or you'll get a permanent ban on Hv, got it? Do you even know what this is, an article? An insult to the feelings of HotA fans, true admirers of the original Heroes 3!!!111 One hero, one original, one HotA!!!111

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Vinceras

10/28/2018 2:05 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I wouldn't choose such harsh expressions. Yes, there are many controversial points from the perspective of the classic heroes, but there are also very many successful decisions.

To make the comparison clearer, let's imagine that the 3DO/nwc company had gone under after the release of RoE, and SoD had been made by a fan group. How much outpouring would there be?) In terms of balance, just look at Conflux. It raises far more questions than own same-//the dock.

Why I don't play HotA.
The original heroes have their own atmosphere thanks to the wonderful graphics. HotA's graphics have nothing in common with the original. This is a significant point. Despite all the shortcomings of SoD and the advantages of HotA, these advantages are not so significant for me as to outweigh the first drawback.

=Lizard=

10/28/2018 4:36 PM UTC

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2SirDavos: the example with Mozart and Mikhailov is simply absurd to the point of disgust. I'm telling you this as a musician. Meaning, I understand both heroes and music a billion times better and more deeply. If one were to attempt an (impossible) parallel, then in the case of contrasting "SoD-HotA," we have a situation where a hypothetical Kurt Cobain recorded a brilliant song in a garage with terrible sound, and later people appeared thanks to whom that same song sounded without blunders, on tuned instruments, and with the vocals hitting the notes. There will always be people who prefer the crooked garage version because it is original and true. That's normal. But to argue with own foam at the mouth that a high-quality studio version should not have been created is simply funny and stupid.

2Vinceras: graphics are purely a matter of taste. In HotA, they have been reworked at an obviously higher quality level. My point is that taste also has a level. But this criterion is at least understandable; it is based on the internal imperative of a specific individual, which is normal.

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злой_романтик

10/28/2018 4:36 PM UTC

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What is the purpose of this thread? It’s been a while since there was a heated debate on the forums, so is this an artificial attempt to spark one? Some people want to play HotA, others want to play SoD, and most play both versions. Any attempt by HotA enthusiasts to convince SoD enthusiasts will be doomed to failure, and vice versa. It’s just a pointless provocation. It immediately smells like Vic’s style.

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Grando

10/28/2018 5:23 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

What is the purpose of this thread? Hasn't there been a heated debate on the Heroes forums for a while, so is it necessary to artificially ignite one? ...
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I'll immediately suggest the following topic: Whose Crimea is it?

If you look closely at the messages, you can see where they were moved from. No one artificially "ignited" it here; the flame started elsewhere and was moved here to avoid cluttering the thread created for a useful purpose – bug reports for the HD mod and improving this HD mod.
This thread was created specifically for this purpose – to have a place to further discuss what people really want to discuss, but the discussion is no longer relevant to the original thread where it all started. And at the same time, not to overload existing useful threads with a specific (different) purpose.

You could have been more careful with the politics (this is what I marked as off-topic). This is a forum about Heroes, not about everything in the world.
Well, since being careful didn't work out, let's assume for now that it's not allowed to delve into politics at all.

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