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Simultaneous turns in SoD tournaments
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Single choice Public votes Closed 2018-08-14
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Only with OH
35.4% 34 votes
Preferably with Overlord skills, but if necessary, I’m willing to play without them
29.2% 28 votes
Preferably without ranged attack, but if needed, I’m ready with ranged attack
14.6% 14 votes
Without OH
9.4% 9 votes
I don't play / I don't care
11.5% 11 votes
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ckotuHa
so many whiners have gathered.. supposedly all grown men, but they're crying: this is wrong, that's wrong... they actually feel sorry for an extra 2 hours of their time!! Have you read how much total time you've spent playing Heroes?? No? Then count it... my personal o
pinion: no one should be forced to play with OH, pay for lobbies, etc. and so on, everything should be on a voluntary basis.
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oh my eyes, more brackets, more... tomorrow baratorch will close shop and all questions will settle themselves... I'll stick to my opinion: against making OH mandatory in Tournaments!
Nobody gives a damn what opinion you stick to. A "hero" has burst in, and everyone is a whiner to him.
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Against making Online Battles mandatory in REGULAR tournaments. Against rudeness when discussing the issue towards those who do not share the only correct opinion of some participants in the dialogue. The arguments were limited to a maximum of 1 hour of time saved and the trend of progress; I didn't hear anything else. In fact, it gives an advantage to faster players and an advantage to more experienced players over less experienced ones and newcomers (even Dirty got caught up in it; there's no point in thinking, just move faster).
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listen, old man **nov,
I came to Hv, I studied here, I play here, I spend most of my free time here.

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I monitor everything that happens here, and as long as I haven't been kicked out of here -
I have the right to express my opinion!

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and I don't give a damn about your opinion!
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Okay, that's it. Go to private messages, friends, and sort things out. I won't be issuing warnings for violations because I committed to not issuing any during the first year of moderation, but you've really gone overboard with the dialogue and flame wars.
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Embrace Extend Extinguish
I didn't even think that I would become a legend, mentioned as a clinical case. But what can you do, it's probably inevitable.

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By the way, I suggest doing this: allow everyone to register for the tournament, but when two players with opposing views meet, one writes in the chat "I don't want to play without Overlord's Hall," and the other writes "I don't want to play with Overlord's Hall," and the first one automatically wins. It will be fun.
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи
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OH is just as much of a new addition as the HD mod, which allows you to play with a password and connect HB rules plugins. Now, no one even thinks about why everyone plays with the HD mod and not without it? At the same time, the presence of the HD mod is not specified in any of the rules.
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I've got the impression that all these numerous attempts to forcefully turn the Hero tournaments into a closed "sandbox for the chosen few" have the following explanation. The so-called "daddies" are simply panicked at the prospect of new strong players appearing here on HeroesWorld, new Marettis who will push them off the Olympus. The mere appearance of Dave Han is worth something!
As a result, instead of expanding HeroesWorld, making English-language registration available, fully translating the rules, making the Tournaments accessible to new players, including foreign ones — this is what we're doing instead... Eh... it's sad.
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However, the requirement for the HD mod is not mentioned in any of the rules.
Damn. At least check. All tournaments state that the game is played on the latest version of the HD mod. Provide a link where it isn't mentioned.
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Ihromant
Embrace Extend Extinguish
I didn't even think I would become a legend, mentioned as a clinical case. But what can you do, it seems like it's inevitable.

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By the way, I suggest we do this: allow everyone to register for the tournament, but when two players with opposing views meet, the first one writes in the chat, "I don't want to play without Overlord Heroes," and the second one writes, "I don't want to play with Overlord Heroes," and the first one automatically wins. It will be fun.

And if the second player still agrees, then in case of a disconnection due to an early encounter, the second player automatically wins :D :D :D
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I would like to highlight a couple of tournaments, such as Favorites, Only HL, OFB, FB. I think that for these tournaments, a rule could be introduced where only Might & Magic: Heroes Online (OH) is allowed, and only in the playoffs or from the 1/8 stage. For the remaining games, it would be preferable to play with OH, but it should be optional, because for newcomers, paying money for a game they are just starting to play is not ideal. The influx of new players has noticeably decreased in the past year compared to Shades of Darkness (SoD); most new players are playing in Heroes of Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes (HotU).
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sir Davos Seaworth
I have the impression that all these numerous attempts to forcibly turn hero tournaments into a closed "sandbox for the elite" have the following explanation. The so-called "daddies" are simply panicking at the prospect of new strong players appearing here on ХВ, new Marettis who will push them off their pedestal. The mere appearance of Dave_Han is worth something!
In the end, instead of expanding ХВ, making English-language registration accessible, providing a full translation of the rules, making tournaments accessible to new players, including foreign ones. That's what we're doing instead... Sigh... it's sad.
I really dislike replying to stupid posts, because it's probably obvious that you and the people in this thread are in different universes, and you likely won't understand, but I'll try to get my point across.

Players of different levels, not just the strong ones, play and enjoy OH. Why? I won't elaborate. Playing with OH is not a privilege of the "daddies" nor a "sandbox for the elite." The only thing more affordable than 168р per month is free. If I, as a newcomer, had come to a forum where OH already existed, I would have been simply happy, and I envy people who have just arrived and want to learn to play, and they already have the opportunity to play with OH.
I'll let you in on a secret, but strong players are interested in playing against others who are just as strong, or maybe even stronger than themselves. And the more such strong players there are, the higher the competition, the more interesting it is for the players. And it's absolutely stupid to think that the "daddies" are afraid of the appearance of new Marettis. The situation is, in fact, exactly the opposite.
Dave_HUN (HUN - Hungary) has been on the forum for a long time, and has long demonstrated a high level of play. The fact that you only recently learned about him does not mean he fell from the sky.
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#43
I am a noob. But when you read anywhere on internet about heroes III they say that is a turn based game. Lately good players want to turn this game in a profitable game. If money are involved, and they started to be the reason for many players, the game is not heroes anymore. For money you can play poker and as I already saw few of you can win a lot of money there. If there is not time for playing heroes, why do you play? A lot of good things done by Baratoch but slowly the game was transformed in something else. Just one question if heoes of might and magic 1999 version wouldn't exist(like a turn based game) which one of us would be here? Look at the old threads about this game on heroes world, on heroes portal, on heroes community and so on, there was passion, they loved the game, now it seems to be profession.
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caliban
I really don't like answering stupid posts because it's most likely obvious that you and the people in this thread are on different planes of existence, and you probably won't understand, but I'll try to get my point across.


I really don't like answering "smart" posts from those who think everyone who disagrees with them is stupid, but it looks like I'll have to. Well, yes, my skill level is low, and it will probably only decrease further – senile sclerosis, dementia, and cognitive decline are already on the horizon. But I still believe that I understand something about what's going on.
caliban

Players of different levels, not just strong ones, play and love HotA. Why? I won't elaborate.

Well, then I guess I have to... Who are these "not just strong" players? They are largely fans of HotA, which was originally designed to discredit and destroy the 3 Heroes (a classic "embrace, extend, and exterminate" scheme, very aptly noted by Igromant). Do you think HotA will be free for long? Maybe it will be, but only as long as the 3 Heroes (SoD) are alive and popular.

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Dave_HUN (HUN - Hungary) has been on the forum for a long time and has long demonstrated a high level of play. The fact that you recently learned about him doesn't mean he fell from the sky.

I meant not his appearance in general, but how he became a top player. Such players don't really come out of nowhere; they emerge in tournaments, and you're trying to cut off 90% of them from even having the opportunity to appear. Many people from the CIS countries have problems with the paid subscription, and how can you convince a foreigner who doesn't know a word of Russian that in order to start playing in tournaments, he has to pay, even if it's just a small amount?!

I'm not against HotA as such; I play fun games with it. Despite the abundance of bugs, it's still a turn-based strategy, and HotA is an attempt to "force a square peg into a round hole," even if it's largely successful.
But I am categorically against the mandatory paid registration for tournaments, even for a small fee.
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It's strange for me to see this topic. On one hand, it's nice, of course. But on the other hand, it's not.
OH (Overhaul) is really great, and it's hard for me to underestimate it.
Personally, I have so little time available for playing that even all the existing features, including OH for speeding up the game, aren't enough for me, and I think we need to come up with something else.

However, it seems to me that if you make SoD (Survival of the Dungeon) tournaments paid, it will inevitably turn some players away from SoD tournaments. It's important to understand that loyalty to OH doesn't necessarily exclude a categorically negative attitude towards paid content (it doesn't matter that the amount itself is very small, if you look at prices in stores).
The only place where I see such a rule as acceptable is in tournaments with cash prizes.

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Regarding the poll. It seems to me that those who are against OH are the ones who have played a lot online without OH and have already developed a habit, and already have the skill to use the time while the opponent is taking their turn. A newcomer to online play doesn't have this habit or skill, so it's very strange to read that it will be harder for him to play with OH. Rather, the opposite is true. A typical online newcomer is an old-timer in offline play, and in offline play, you don't have to wait half an hour for the computer to take its turn.
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Sir Davos Seaworth

In the end, instead of expanding the HotA community, making English-language registration accessible, providing a complete translation of the rules, and making tutorials available for new players, including those from other countries, this is what we're doing... Sigh... it's sad.
As someone who has worked on translating the rules, I can say that it's not a simple task. You can't just sit down for 10 minutes, quickly jot something down, or simply run it through a translator and be done with it. I remember when Pit_for_LM was still active, and he spoke English well himself, he would sometimes ask me to revise certain parts 2-3 times, and that takes a lot of time, especially free time, which, of course, you'd rather spend doing something more interesting, and which, unfortunately, isn't always available. So, that's not really an argument. Another argument in favor of Overextended Heroes (OH) from my side: in the past, games on 6LM could last up to 17 real-time hours, so I would either eliminate all XL maps whenever possible or just gracefully lose within 1-2 weeks. Again, regarding restarts, in the past, restarts on 113 could take up to 1.5-2 hours, especially on the Jebus map, which many beginners enjoy. Therefore, I am all for OH, at least up to 115, or even longer, especially on HL+U maps. As for the question about beginners, I think everyone has seen that it's difficult to find an opponent in the HotA lobby who will play with a timer of even 16+8+2; most people play with timers of 2 to 6 minutes, and with OH up to 211, which is more like masochism than enjoyment.
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