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Basically, I gave all the demons 50% fire resistance, but they are vulnerable to both "words," while Elementals became immune to the unholy word and vulnerable to the holy word.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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Judging by their appearance, regular creatures and Cerberuses don't seem particularly resistant to fire, but upgrades either burn or smolder.

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Demons are vulnerable to both "words" in my game, while Elementals have become immune to the unholy word and vulnerable to the holy word.
How is that possible?
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Basically, I gave all the demons 50% fire resistance, but they are vulnerable to both "words," while Templars became immune to the unholy word and vulnerable to the holy word.

So, you took the "demon" ability away from the demons and gave it to the Templars?
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Andrail, what do you think – are there many ways to do this in the game?
The ability "Demon" has been renamed to "Malassa's Apprentice" (similar to Heroes 6) and given to the Dark Elves. The ability "Boiling Blood" has been renamed to "Demonic Blood" (as it is actually named in the game files) and is possessed by Demons and Orcs. This creates two nuances – the chain shot and the summoning of Cave Lords abilities will have to be removed from the Demons.
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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Ah, yes. Indeed. I got a little confused. Do demons have Blood Wrath and Demon, while Dark Elves only have Demon?

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Andrail, what do you think – are there many ways to do this in the game?
The "Demon" ability has been renamed to "Malassa's Apprentice" (similar to Heroes 6) and given to the Dark Elves. The "Boiling Blood" ability has been renamed to "Demonic Blood" (as it is actually named in the game files) and is possessed by Demons and Orcs. Two nuances arise – the chain shot and the summoning of Cave Lords will have to be removed from the Demons.

Are Cave Lords summoned only from Demons?:confused:
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Aren't Orcs vulnerable to both "words"? I haven't noticed that, although it would make sense.
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No way. Can't you see it?
Written in red: THE MOD IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
Of course, you can download it, but only a terrible, unfinished version. I'll send the link in a private message, but I don't recommend it.
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1. As fktifzobr@mail.ru mentioned, the bonuses from Blood Fury are tied to specific units, and if there are foreign units in the Orc army with the "Boiling Blood" ability (in our case, demons), they will not be affected by Blood Fury (no bonuses will be applied).
2. The "Boiling Blood" ability grants three things:
1) Vulnerability to Unholy
2) Vulnerability to Holy
3) Vulnerability to Blood Fury effects on Horde units
3. Cavern Crawlers are summoned only from the corpse of a unit with the "Demon" ability.
4. I assigned the abilities as follows:
1) Tier 3 Elf +Demon
2) Demons + Boiling Blood; - Demon

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Since Cavern Crawlers are summoned only from the corpse of a unit with the "Demon" ability, which now belongs to the Dungeon faction, I decided to give this ability to Night Hags (we all remember some Tier 3 Elves' penchant for making deals with demon lords - Tralsai, Railag, and others), so it is quite logical and lore-friendly to have such an alternate upgrade for the witch. Of course, it could be replaced - perhaps they could summon a Hydra or a Manticore instead
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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In reality, susceptibility and immunity to "words" can be viewed in different ways. 1) Evil factions (demons, undead, Dungeon) are vulnerable to Holy, while good factions (humans, mages, dwarves, Sylvan) are vulnerable to Unholy. Orcs are in the middle. 2) Children of Urgash and undead are vulnerable to Holy, while children of Ash, i.e., the rest, are vulnerable to Unholy. Orcs are again in the middle. 3) Those who practice Dark magic are vulnerable to Holy, while those who practice Light magic are vulnerable to Unholy. Orcs are neither here nor there. In my opinion, the second point is the most likely, so the original arrangement suits me perfectly.
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Of course, the Tuídhana elves are dark and evil, but they still worship the daughter of Ash and don't fit into the second point.
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It seems to me that demons simply cannot be vulnerable to both "words" according to all the points.
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Dark Elves are just Elves, the same as the Light Elves, only they practice Darkness, live underground, and worship not Silanne, but Malassa. Why would they fear the sacred word? Are they abominations or the children of Urgash? I agree with Andrail.

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As for the connection with demons... what about humans who worship demons, mages?
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The demon-worshipping humans remain Ashanites, just like the dark elves, right? For the mages, half of their creatures are undead, and the rest are normal.
Although, judging by the description, gremlins are mutated goblins...
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2) Children of Urgash and undead are vulnerable to Holy, while children of Ascha, i.e., the rest, are vulnerable to Unholy. Orcs are again in the middle.
Has the undead been separated from Ascha for a long time?
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3) Those who practice Dark magic are vulnerable to Holy, and those who practice Light magic are vulnerable to Unholy. Orcs are neither here nor there.
Humans also dabble in darkness, as do mages who do not favor any one magic, but equally learn all schools.
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Of course, the elves of Tuídhana are dark and evil, but they still worship the daughter of Ascha and do not fit into point 2.
And why would Unholy suddenly cease to be associated with Ascha – Unholy is not the magic of Chaos, not the magic of Urgash, but the magic of Darkness, i.e., the magic of Malassa, the goddess of Darkness and daughter of Ascha.
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As far as I can tell, demons cannot be vulnerable to both "words" in all respects.
Demons are born of Urgash, elemental dragons are born of Ascha, the elements are separated from the original magic by Ascha, and each of the elemental dragons was associated with one of the elements. Elemental magic (any) comes from Ascha; the magic of demons is called the magic that comes from Urgash (it is not clearly revealed in the lore what this is, it is only known that it is a modified original magic - as in the case of Ascha, Urgash is a dragon of original magic, they both changed it, but Ascha ordered it by separating the elements from it, and Urgash, let's say, went his own way).
We get: all elemental magic is associated with Ascha, and therefore not associated with demons, and demons should be vulnerable to it. Demons do not worship Malassa and are not her creations, and they should not have immunity to her magic.

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Dark elves are just elves, the same as light elves, only they practice Darkness, live underground, and worship not Silanna, but Malassa.
Quite the opposite! Read the lore.

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"In desperation, Tuídhana makes a deal with the faceless in exchange for the power to protect her people. Those who follow her are changed by the will of Malassa, the Dragon of Darkness. And from that day on, they are called dark elves..."
... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...
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The undead are no longer particularly effective against the Ashan factions. After all, they are dead and long cursed. I don't remember a time when the undead were considered holy.
We could argue for a long time about how vulnerability to "words" is distributed in Ashan. But that's not what we're here for.
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