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Michael knows his stuff.

Armageddets, only criticism comes from Russian players; survey foreign players to find out what is most convenient for them. I wrote to a Chinese player, but he didn't seem very interested.

I haven't seen any ideas from Arma that could become a key element for him. To organize such a tournament, you need to rely primarily on the team captains, who will positively evaluate the idea and want to participate. And the captains will then assemble the teams. That is, you need to survey key Heroes of Might and Magic players from different countries/regions. Poland - Dawidu and Jelen. Hungary - Dave_HUN. Romania - Gee. China - if herolwy doesn't start getting upset, then gather materials from many years ago and find contacts there. Belarus, Ukraine - they will definitely gather, just contact a few of them. And do we have a community in Kazakhstan? Regarding the Russian regions, read who responds positively, figure out where they live, and talk to them about their willingness to stream (but thinking for themselves and critically evaluating what is said). The regions are not the primary focus, but rather specific people living in those regions who will enthusiastically embrace the idea. It's not necessary to gather everyone at once; it's enough to have those who want to participate. And once it works out the first time, the others will want to join the second time. In my opinion, it's not necessary to gather 16 teams. Even if there are 8/12 teams of 4 people each, with the possibility of one substitute, that is, 3 players (the simpler, the more reliable), and if there are captains who support the idea, it will still be an event unlike any other. And as a first step after a long period of inactivity, it will be significant.

When it comes to a show tournament, I immediately remember the tournament organized by Tvarina on HotE. It was a great show – a minimum number of participants, a good lineup, and everyone wore tracksuits. It was a pleasure for the viewers; there were no lackluster matches, a quick resolution, and it was even enjoyable to rewatch. In short, everything was geared towards the audience.

And most importantly, none of the participants even complained about playing on the new version with mandatory streaming. Because the organizer, when announcing the tournament, said: "This is the tournament, these are the conditions! Are you in?"

Poland - Dawidu and Jelen.
Hungary - Dave_HUN
Romania - Gee

These guys might also have contacts with players from other countries: it's worth asking.

As for the regulations, I don't quite understand why you're asking the players. It's better to ask experienced organizers for advice and then do what you think is best. Give the "daddies" some freedom – they'll play BO99 6LM10A, otherwise they'll think the champion is chosen randomly. :D

I can also help with restreaming (although it's better to persuade more popular streamers to be commentators, for example, if Amiluya and Tvaryna commentated the games, the tournament would already be top-notch, even if it was played by random players from my neighborhood).

If you recall Tvarina's show tournament (as I understand it, he was a pioneer among show tournaments for Heroes - I simply hadn't seen anyone do it before). His commentary was interesting, he invited developers, and the stream quality was, as always, top-notch. It seemed like it was all positive.

But let's note right away:
1) He ran the tournament, as I understand it, with his own money and could do it however he wanted (which is far from our case).
2) He realistically assessed his capabilities and took 4 pairs of players. Moreover, players he was confident in. This is the ideal option for any organizer. In that regard, he's a pro! But any one of you could run a tournament in such a format. Adapting to a small number of players is quite simple; the fewer the players, the fewer delays and problems, etc. Also, you have the opportunity to select non-conflictual people, which further reduces the chance of issues. As for player motivation, you need money. If there's money, you'll attract skilled players. But in Sasha's case, many would likely have played for him for free just out of friendship. Plus, he is a media personality, which I am not even close to being. Sasha is generally more experienced in terms of organization and creating a show.
3) His subscribers on Twitch and similar platforms + heroes3tv had the opportunity to watch him in real-time. The edited matches appeared on YouTube after a huge amount of time. Some problems arose with that. In the replays, this tournament was actually watched by even more people.

But even after such a small tournament, we never saw anything like it again. This means not everything is so rosy in terms of desire, time, effort, or the first tournament killed the desire. I don't know.

We, even to our own detriment, usually let as many participants play as possible. The result of this was evident. A lot of both positive and negative remains behind the scenes. But the main thing is that the viewer gets what they expected. Already 3 tournaments - a completed stage in this direction.

In the case of our tournaments, I do not act as a sponsor (the only exception was the Subscribers Tournament 2017 - Vigo and I chipped in together) nor as the sole decision-maker. Therefore, there are attempts to satisfy 3 parties (sponsor, viewer, participant). Since the channels and activities are oriented toward beginners (the appearance of new faces in our Community), we attract sponsors and attempt to establish the organization of tournaments with prize pools (this is a plus for the popularization of Heroes, for the participants themselves, and for their time spent). I see more potential for capturing an audience on YouTube than on other platforms due to the larger overall global viewer audience. And that is exactly where sponsors for show tournaments with full coverage come from.

Thanks to Aiwe for being responsive. Once we define the tournament more concretely, we will get in touch and settle some points. I enjoy watching your streams, along with other guys - popularity doesn't matter to an adequate viewer.

Regarding more popular streamers. Amil might agree, though that's still questionable (since there are many unresolved issues). As for Tvarina, I highly doubt it. Sasha is too busy and popular a person to adapt to someone else's tournament, someone else's conditions, and spend his time on all this at the request of an unknown person. I might be wrong, of course. A lot will also depend on the tournament format. It's too early to say anything in that regard.

Literally today on the stream, Sasha assessed my channel as "meh" both in terms of content and subscribers. :D :D :D And he's right. For me, this is more of a hobby that I continue upon request. As far as I can pull off all these discussions, channels, groups, tournaments, video editing, games, consultations, teaching, recordings, streams, and so on, parallel with work and personal life - that's how it turns out in the end. As for YouTube subscribers, all purely Heroes channels have few subscribers - Heroes are not yet that popular relative to other content. Usually, mixed channels (Heroes + other games) attract a larger audience. Moreover, I don't do advertising; I don't set a goal to gain popularity. I started streaming very recently, and I also started doing tournaments not long ago, so everything is at such an amateur level. Whatever I'm capable of. This is not my element. I would gladly observe from the sidelines if someone else took care of it. I am an unknown and obscure person to many on HW for them to trust me. Yes, personally, nobody knows or has seen me. That's a normal reaction. And on top of that, they drew up a nomination for me - for which I'll receive a bunch of dirt...

Dima and Alfein, we will definitely contact guys from other countries. And we will draw conclusions from communicating with them. There is a Chinese community that we can try to talk to via online translators. There are also guys from the Baltics we can talk to.

Alfein, regarding the number of teams, as well as the format - everything is still debatable. The sponsor wants as many as possible. How many we draw up in the end - we'll see. You see - this is purely a survey, nothing more.

Mizrael, regular tournaments are made for players, and show tournaments for viewers. Therefore, they are slightly different things. Herolvi played and streamed in 9 Kingdoms (thanks to Dima Surmai for that). There were some lags and periodic stream crashes. But he played until his exit from the tournament with streams, as required. It's a matter of their desire. "Tournament between countries" is the name of this discussion. The tournament will clearly be called something else. If there are countries and republics, autonomies, then something like "National team cup" or something like that. If there are regional teams, then "Regions team cup" - something like that.

For now, don't rush to criticize what doesn't exist. There is only money and an idea. We'll see the rest later.

The biggest obstacle in everything is real life. For example, today I was offered a shift job (2 at night, 2 by day, 2 at home). If I go there, then it's absolutely impossible to do the tournament without assistants. Considering that I don't plan to quit my old job. I'll think about it.

I enjoy watching your streams, along with those of other guys — popularity doesn't matter to an adequate viewer.

Well, I wouldn't say that — for the majority, it's a show, and the better the showman, the better the show. Do I understand correctly that a rematch from both sides with commentary is planned? I think both Amil and Tvaryna would find this interesting, and their viewers would have more fun than the 1000th Jebus Cross. Possibly not all games would be streamed — that would take too much time — only the central ones. But in any case, that's still far off for now.)

I would participate representing Ukraine.

I'm originally from Siberia, but I live in Belarus! I guess I'll play for Poland, not sure...

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Voytek, how are you? Will you take me if needed?

I agree. But we will proceed based on those who want to and can participate. Yes, re-streams from both sides are planned, as usual. We will take a personalized approach to each participant (some will stream, some will include a demonstration, or something along those lines). So, here is the current situation regarding the players we have found: Unlimited (more than enough): Russia Ukraine Belarus Teams with a small player limit (the list is based on words and provided information - the actual data may not match): Lithuania (Alkaposha, Muunis, Dead0202 (Algidas), Suris, WizarDX576, Black knight, Xsi, lth) Latvia (Xenofex, RetroFM) Hungary (Dave Hun, norbakk, zodmund, marqadar (possibly)) Poland (Jelen117, Dawidu91, Yarzapp, Tiamat, Dorsaj, zuro007, Mateusz, Jaris, Tyranuxus) Moldova (Faria, Saneok (Ukraine/Moldova)). But Sanek expressed a desire to play for Ukraine. Serbia (Marko SoD, Huanito, Slayzer) Romania (Gee, Alin, Suicid_pe.iarba, trisaghion, Vladonof) China (Herolwy) Denmark (Maretti) Bulgaria (NEO, Battanas) Vietnam (Dan_Choi) England (there is also a subscriber from there) Estonia (there is a young girl) France (there is also a young girl, but she is unlikely to agree to play) Regions: Donbass (Ubitiy, Zillot, Toycar) - at least there is an application from them. Siberia (FireToSky, HellLighT, Dirty_Player, Grizvald, Dust_HL, BA/IEHOK) Players from Game Ranger. Korea (Else, Heroes_magic, Cooluck) Bulgaria (tane, Galinovich, Sandor Claegan) England (lth) There may be typos and errors. Please point them out if you find any. Also, if you know of any foreign players, please write about them in this thread. I have already contacted some players, and I still need to contact others. In general, a separate thread where everyone could indicate their roots might be helpful (some probably have ties to multiple countries). I will add any changes to this message as they occur. This information may be useful to someone in the future. Because, with a high degree of probability (if nothing changes), this will be my last year doing this.

well, it’s unlikely that Maretti will play.

That's understandable. Firstly, he isn't playing, and secondly, there are no more players from his country. Unless they are part of a combined European team. For now, while we are forming the teams, we are also compiling a list of international players.

... Also, if you know any foreign players, please write about them in this thread.

dan_choi plays regularly. I just don't know what country he represents.

In Poland, there are Jaris and Tyranuxus. Yarzapp plays well, but probably isn't top-tier. In Lithuania, there's Wizardx. In Serbia, there's Slayzer.

Thank you, Roger. I'm not afraid of pressure from the authorities. Even if they imprison me, it's worth serving time for having a reasonable stance. I'm not calling for anything. Each team can call itself whatever it wants. I don't come up with the names for them; they choose them themselves. I'm more worried about how I'll manage to balance two jobs and the tournament if I take on a second job.

By the way, a huge thank you to many players for the private messages. You provided a lot of useful information. I've already contacted many of them. I'm still waiting for a response from some. And thank you to everyone on the forum as well. It turns out there are players on the forum who are personally acquainted with many foreign players, such as Maretti, even down to their phone numbers (if they can be found). I'm more than satisfied with the information I've gathered and the optimism from several foreign players. This means there is potential after all. The main thing is not to mess it all up.