Plans for CIS-2018.

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1/7/2018 11:21 PM UTC #136

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Dust_HL

"Easier said than done." :)

Last year, there was such a heated battle for the venue, and this year, there isn't even one application? It's a bit sad to think that we might not have the CIS Championship 2018.

freesha, seriously, should we not expect an application from Yekaterinburg this year? :(

Is Moscow also being quiet?

Should we start making a fuss at the last moment, or will there be no CIS championship this year!? ((

Dustik, I don't want to go and negotiate for the second time in a row, raise the issue, and then end up explaining why everything suddenly got postponed. I remember that Moscow was eager to host the CIS championship in 2018, so I'm not planning on it and I won't interfere.

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1/8/2018 4:06 AM UTC #137

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Gray, and what does Moscow have to do with Yburg? Feel free to present your offer; who's stopping you? Maybe people will weigh their options and your prices, and we'll all rush to you. Moscow will definitely be more expensive than anywhere else in the CIS. And right now, many people are going through tough times. So, go ahead and put your offer out there, and we'll figure out who's doing what, how much it will cost, and who will be involved. Then we'll submit an application or not. The holidays are over; we'll meet up with the guys here soon, with those who can make decisions, do things, or want to, and we'll make a decision and let you know. There are plenty of options in the capital and the surrounding region; the question is the price for everyone, but we can do anything you want, as I've already mentioned.

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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1/8/2018 7:51 AM UTC #138

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freesha

Dude, I don't want to go and negotiate for the second time in a row, raise the issue, and then be left with nothing but excuses as to why everything suddenly got postponed. As far as I remember, Moscow was eager to host the CIS tournament in 2018; that’s precisely why I won’t plan or participate.

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Yekaterinburg won.

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Korolev won.

But ultimately, it was held in Volgograd. Who is interested in the forum members' opinion? Again, 3-4 people will agree within a narrow circle and announce their decision, presenting it as a "vote."

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1/8/2018 8:52 AM UTC #139

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Vigo

Gray, but what does Moscow have to do with Yeburg? Why don't you present your proposal? Who's stopping you?

I think what's stopping you is that organizing such an event requires certain efforts and investments. It's not like winning a tender or a government contract. If you remember, in 2017, no one needed anything; Sergey prepared everything, but then people appeared who wanted something "better" – Volgograd emerged. Then, almost at the last moment, Vitya appeared, waving a saber, saying he would do everything beautifully. :D As for the Hota tournament in Korolev, that's just :smile35:. After that, I wouldn't even approach the issue of organizing anything, because there's a high probability that at the last moment, some hypothetical Anapa will appear, and people will rush there.

Vigo

Gray, but what does Moscow have to do with it?

Moscow is relevant because, following last year's discussions, it was decided that since Moscow (or the Moscow region) didn't win in 2017, they would be given the right to host the event in 2018. This satisfied everyone at the time. Therefore, I would like to see either the organizers take on this task or officially state that they are not interested. Why beat around the bush?

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Nagan-4

Who cares about the opinion of the forum members?

Forum members? No one. What matters is the opinion of those who will actually come and invest money, and not those who will ruin the event because they agreed on an apartment in St. Petersburg. And other people have to go where he "points" for free.

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Nagan-4

Again, a small group of 3-4 people will make a deal and announce their decision, presenting it as a "vote."

Ideally, that's how it should be! Ideally, there should be an organizing committee that decides and presents the decision to the public. Then there will be no disputes, and everyone will be satisfied. Any "vote" leads to disputes and arguments.

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1/8/2018 8:56 AM UTC #140

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Unfortunately, no matter how amusing the pun, organizing an organizational committee for the CIS is extremely problematic, due to the personal interests of the individuals who most often attend these CIS events regarding the location. And the fact that few people would want to be treated disrespectfully, as happened with Frish, was clear to me even last year. Vitin's opinion about the Moscow region is already known... let's wait and see if anyone else will come to their senses, as they did last year.

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1/8/2018 9:54 AM UTC #141

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2 Dirty_Player.

Forum members? None. I'm interested in the opinion of someone who will actually come and invest money, and not ditch the event because they agreed on an apartment in St. Petersburg. And for other people to travel to where he "pointed" on a whim.

Oh, how good that is. In 2015, I received a call and was told that the championship would be in St. Petersburg. And then, behind the scenes, they changed it to Volgograd, but forgot to write about it on the forum. I created a thread about the championship in St. Petersburg and already then found out that everything had been changed. Who ditched whom then? However, something similar happened in 2017 as well; no matter how people voted, the decision had already been made for them.

Ideally, that's how it should be! Ideally, there should be an organizing committee that decides and presents the people with a fait accompli. Then there will be no disputes, and everyone will be happy. And any "voting" leads to disputes and arguments.

Things have been moving in that direction for a long time; why pretend to have democracy when it's long gone? It's better this way than to hold fake polls.

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1/8/2018 10:25 AM UTC #142

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Nagan-4

Oh, how great that is. In 2015, they called me and said that the championship would be in St. Petersburg. And then, behind the scenes, they decided to move it to Volgograd, but they forgot to post it on the forum. I created a thread about the championship in St. Petersburg, and I already knew then that everything had been changed. Who played whom then?

Yes, they called officially. But the change was decided behind the scenes on the forum. If anything, the thread about CIS-2015 was renamed from St. Petersburg to Volgograd on September 25, 2014 (I took the time to look it up). This was done after a public discussion here on the forum.

7 months before the tournament, Karl!
Why don't you go into these "backrooms," Eric?

Я в мечеть не за праведным словом пришёл.
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
© О. Хайям

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1/8/2018 10:38 AM UTC #143

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Well, last year, the Moscow region offered a fairly reasonable budget for the event. And considering the ease of transportation, it's even more appealing. The issue lies with the organizer. I remember when we were preparing the application for the Hota tournament, we immediately decided that Vigo would not be involved under any circumstances, as the risks were unacceptable.

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1/8/2018 11:00 AM UTC #144

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oxygen_hl

Yeah, they officially called. But the replaying happened behind the scenes on the forum. If anything, the thread about CIS-2015 was renamed from St. Petersburg to Volgograd on September 25, 2014 (I took the time to dig it up). This was done after a public discussion here on the forum.

Seven months before the tournament, Karl!
Who is your doctor, Eric, that you don't go into these "backrooms"?

You are right; I didn’t go into the backrooms and, God willing, won’t in the future; that’s just how I am. The topic was raised seven months ago because my post was the first one in the thread, but then it was replaced. In general, the topic was interesting, but not much of it remains. The main advantage of Volgograd over St. Petersburg was named as the lower cost of living. :smile30:

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However, I don't know why I'm writing this if, like last year, I definitely won't participate in this. You can write here that I haven't participated for many years. It's up to you; I will hold my own tournaments, even if there are only 8-10 people, that will be enough for me.

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1/8/2018 11:09 AM UTC #145

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Ugh, you guys are starting another argument again ((. What kind of people are you (((? Just do it wherever you want! ) Good luck to all the organizers!!!
Especially to the great master and organizer, Vik!

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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1/8/2018 11:12 AM UTC #146

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Nagan-4

You're right, I haven't been in the backrooms and, God willing, I won't be. That's just how it is.

The forum is the backrooms, a personal call from Horn is not. Okay. Michurinsk coordinate system.

Nagan-4

The topic was brought up within 7 months because my post was the first one in the thread, and then it was replaced.

So, it wasn't "forgotten on the forum"? So, who screwed you over?

Nagan-4

You can write here that I haven't participated for many years. It's your business, I'll continue to run my tournaments, even if there are only 8-10 people, that's enough for me.

What do I have to do with it?
I'm responding to you because you regularly write provocative nonsense, which you then delete yourself because it smells bad (the CIS-2015 topic is an example).

Я в мечеть не за праведным словом пришёл.
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
© О. Хайям

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1/8/2018 11:28 AM UTC #147

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oxygen_hl

The forum is a backroom; a personal call from Horn is not. Okay, let's use the Michurinsk coordinate system.

So, it wasn't "forgotten to write on the forum"? Then who screwed you over?

What do I have to do with this?
I'm answering you because you regularly write provocative nonsense, which you then delete yourself because it stinks (the CIS-2015 topic is an example).

Well, that's good. We've reached an agreement.

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1/8/2018 12:12 PM UTC #148

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Nagan-4

It was only a matter of time before this happened. Why pretend to have a democracy when it's long gone? It's better this way than staging fake polls.

Unfortunately, it's not always possible to get what you want. If people want it to be in Sochi/Anapa/Krasnodar, so be it. Who will take responsibility?

Wicc

The issue is with the organizer.

Exactly. No matter how interesting the option, it all comes down to the responsible person who will take on all the tasks and resolve the issues that arise.

Wicc

I remember when we were applying for the Hota tournament.

That was an example of how NOT to organize tournaments. The "I checked the prices, it's good, come on over, we'll figure it out on the spot" approach doesn't work in modern times!

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1/8/2018 7:48 PM UTC #149

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To get things moving, we need to understand where people prefer to meet. Then, we need to gather and delegate an initiative group, giving them all the necessary authority, instead of complaining, as we did last year, about whether Korolev will win or not, and therefore we won't go to Vego. We need to help, not spit in the face. With a different approach, we'll end up with Volgograd-18 again. Yes, and the organizers' task is not to find the most expensive place, but to choose a decent place with a reasonable price, so as not to look like idiots paying exorbitant prices for a bed in an empty base. Our team's requests are well known. They are not high. Accessible and adequate facilities, a festive landscape, a comfortable room, a convenient game room with 24-hour access, and good food. That's it. No marble staircases or bronze statues are needed. And not a word about the internet, a persistent reader might ask! Yes. Not a word. Why talk about and pay for something that hasn't been available at any CIS event? If there is internet, great, if not, no one has died from it, even though some people previously considered this factor to be almost the main reason for choosing a CIS location. Last year, there was no internet or even cell service at the base, and the TV barely worked most of the time – and what? It was great! It turns out that the internet isn't the most important thing. In summary, based on the above, the price is quite reasonable, but it is not final. An organizer with a good head can always reduce it by 20-25%. If we work together and don't argue, we can easily gather 50+ people, which is a powerful bargaining chip when negotiating with any administrator. We need to decide on the region for CIS-18. P.S. During the holidays, I looked at about ten suburban bases near Moscow online, with prices already set for May (within 30 km of the center). So far, I'm not very optimistic, but there are some great options with accommodation ranging from 500 to 1000 rubles per person per day, even with free breakfast. These options require 50 to 60 people for a week at that price. All the options are interesting – with saunas, sports grounds, and swimming pools. I didn't even look closely at options costing 1500 rubles per person per day – there's just something amazing there, in the sense that everything is perfect.