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Offline baratorch
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So, it's not a half-measure, but an expansion of possibilities.
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P.S. Of course, in War of the Throne, the game on a mirror map almost always featured the same heroes – the strongest in that faction. Gosh, Broghilda, Valeska, etc.
So, it still turns out to be a half-measure.
Moreover, it's worse than simply banning top-tier heroes. Because even if you start with the same heroes, if one gets Gosh/Luna/Jeremy/etc. in the tavern, and the other doesn't, then it's obviously unfair.
Therefore, if you're going to duplicate heroes, you should duplicate all of them and mirror the tavern.
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it turns out to be just a half-measure.
Moreover, it's worse than simply banning top-tier heroes. Because even if you start with identical heroes, if one gets a hero like Gosha/Luna/Jeremy/etc. in the tavern, and the other doesn't, then it's obviously unfair.
Therefore, if you're going to duplicate heroes, you should duplicate all of them and mirror the tavern.

That's true. Even a hero like Alamar, for obvious reasons, severely unbalances the mirror match.
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Wait, damn( How is that possible? Meaning, if I built, for example, a Dimension Door, and I know the opponent might arrive soon, I can't rebuild the tower so he doesn't get this Dimension Door for free? That is definitely bad.

And another situation: after building and researching an imp, I can no longer rebuild it into a Dimension Door? And vice versa, etc. etc.? Well, that's just not right(

And if you research a spell at Mage Guild level 5 in a new way, is it possible to rebuild the guild level using the old way? And what will happen to the slot? Will there be a new spell, but already fixed, or can it be researched again?
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If, after researching a spell at level 5 using a new GM method, can you revert to researching levels in the old way? And what will happen to the slot? Will it contain the new spell, but it will be fixed, or can it be researched again?

To answer this question, I could simply copy and paste my previous post, to which you responded with this question. It's a vicious cycle.
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The old Guild Hall upgrade from Heroes of Might and Magic doesn't work in HotA 1.5.
It would be strange if it did.

So now you need to choose which level 5 spell you want, because it can only be researched once.
Question about the library in the Tower - can you research in the additional library slots there?

It seems that now it's desirable to build Guild Halls in different castles if you want to get Fly, Damage, and Implosion spells, since it's not possible to do it in one.

Sorry for the noob questions.
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That is, now you need to choose which level 5 spell you want, because it is researched only once.
yes, that's right.
Question about the library in the Tower - can you research in the additional library slots there?
yes, you can.
So, now it is desirable to build Guilds in different castles if you want to get Fly, Damage, and Implosion, since it is not possible in one castle.
that's how it works.
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The Khotovian restructuring essentially doubles the number of spells available in a single guild – in each slot, you can learn the default spell and 1 restructured spell. That is, from one tower, you can obtain 2 spells of level 5, 4 spells of level 4, and so on. If you need more, you will have to build another guild.
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I don't know what's causing this, but here... http://joxi.ru/Vrw9J1ptKLJv32
There's no sphere, no restructuring... everything is fine in other castles.


I suspect it's because of 2 Fire Shields...
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I don't know what's causing this, but here... http://joxi.ru/Vrw9J1ptKLJv32
There are no spheres, no restructuring... everything is fine in other castles.


I suspect it's the 2 Fire Shields...
Could this be a continuation of a save from an older version? 2 Fire Shields (and lightning), if it's a continuation of a save, might be a bug from the old restructuring. It's best to finish old saves on 1.4.2.

If this is a new game specifically on 1.5, it would be helpful to have the saves when the game is finished.
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Could it be a continuation of a save from an older version? Two fire shields (and lightning), if this is a continuation of a save, it might be a bug from the old patch. It's best to finish old saves on version 1.4.2.

If this is a new game specifically on version 1.5, then it would be helpful to have the saves when it's finished.

This is a new game, I'll post the saves.
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Wait, what? How is that possible? Meaning, if I've built a Dimension Door, for example, and I know the opponent might arrive soon, I can't rebuild the tower so he doesn't get this Dimension Door for free? That is definitely bad.

And another situation: after building and researching an imp, I can no longer rebuild it into a Dimension Door? And vice versa, etc. etc.? Well, that's just not right(
Also, what's unpleasant is that when you rebuild without fixing it, it turns out you're paying for nothing, just for the ability to continue rebuilding:(
It seems like the old rebuilding system was times more profitable, or am I misunderstanding something

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That's true, but off the top of my head I found several quite interesting points regarding the new rebuilding, for example:

1. You can rebuild (as in BT) immediately, without needing to build a 5gm. That is, you built for a flux on a Jebus Cross on 111 gm1, you have slow but no bless (or vice versa), and you rebuild right away (on the same day). Yes, it's expensive, but you have both slow and bless.

2. With a built 4lvl, you split for mana, having the necessary resources, the next day you build a 5gm and immediately rebuild it, and then go off wandering further.

I think there are quite a few such moments; in general, it's not all clear-cut, it needs to be tested in combat conditions.
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What's even more unpleasant is that when you rebuild and don't lock it in - it turns out that you pay for nothing, just for the possibility to continue rebuilding
It seems like the old rebuilding was times more profitable, or am I misunderstanding something
You always pay for changing a spell. If you didn't lock it immediately, then you can lock it at any moment later for free. Changing it — only for a fee.

In terms of the cost of digging up DD/TP, research is no different from rebuilding (TP is even cheaper, as you don't need to build MG5, plus you can research in parallel with construction, specifically, as Lizard wrote, on the day the MG is built). But during research, you won't get intermediate spells into your book, only the final TP/DD itself (and what was there at the beginning).
In the case of TP, however, you can lock some berserk and continue research in the second slot. Same with the library in the Tower. But it will be impossible to learn all the game's spells with a single MG.
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