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9 years ago
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We invite you to take part in the qualifying tournament for the main online tournament of the year, FB-11 :smile03:

I. Regulations and Deadlines

The qualifying tournament will be held using a "Swiss" system

The tournament starts on July 28 at 21-00; the draw is at 20-30 on the Dirty_Player channel. Registration is open until the start of the draw.

The time limit for one round is 2 weeks — this time, awards and techs will be issued without delay. Thus, draws for subsequent rounds will begin on time!!
Players must agree on a common game time themselves; judges will base their decisions on the attempts and desire of both players to play. In case of extreme stubbornness from both participants, a mutual tech-loss will follow, so I recommend contacting your opponent immediately after the draw to reach an agreement. If no one can agree at all, keep the judges informed; in exceptional cases involving a language barrier, an ODD may be appointed. If one of the players fails to appear at the scheduled time, the second player must write to the organizer or judge, and this will be the primary argument when issuing a tech result.

OFB will consist of 9 rounds; preliminarily, 5 players advance to the final part, but under certain circumstances (such as tie-breaking for places, a player who reserved a spot in FB withdrawing, etc.), the lead organizer has the right to expand this list. (Having the right does not mean they necessarily will — for the particularly meticulous demagogues :) )

The organizer reserves the right to change and supplement these regulations. If the AC adopts any changes to the rules after the start of the tournament, they will automatically come into force in this tournament starting from the round following the current one. (Changes will not apply to games already in progress)

Attention all participants! Anyone who has unconfirmed reports 1 week old or older at the time the tournament starts will not be admitted — registration will be denied. Please check current tournaments and the season for debts here: http://heroes3stat.tk/unconfirmed/

II. Rules and Templates.

upd. 12.08.17: two tech-losses result in the participant's disqualification from the tournament and a likely miss of the next tournament.
upd. 04.08.17 0. Rebuilding is allowed and must be enabled on all templates. Regarding the library by default — it is allowed only in the starting tower. Anyone who started a game under other rules finishes according to them. From the second round, these rules apply by default
1. By default, games are played according to /topic/10593/
2. By default, the game version is SoD 3.2 (4.0)+latest HD-mod+HeroesWorld Rules 1.38, connect via hamachi (if it doesn't work, then TeamViewer). By mutual agreement: WT, HotA, or any other HOMM3 version, even WoG :D
3. Template selection. I believe a good player should be able to play on any template, so different templates will be played in the tournament, most likely all 9: :smile03: The list is as follows: h3dm1, mt-diamond, anarchy L+U 160% trade, skirmish M-U 200% all random, Jebus cross, 8mm6a, 6LM10a, 8xm12a, and Spider. The distribution by rounds will be random for greater interest. :)
4. Castle selection. Randomizer + trade. Regeneration of a pair of castles is permitted for 500 coins. The blue player first states their desire/lack of desire to keep the current pair. Then comes the same-color trade.
5. Rules for playing on h3dm1 and mt-diamond (computer castles are random). Read carefully before starting the game. By default, these specific rules will apply.
a). Timer 21+8-30+1-15. It is permitted to pass by shifted guards onto any lands. Only medium roads. Trading. First, the castle is determined. Each participant has the right to ban one castle before generation. The blue player first states their desire/lack of desire to ban a castle, after which in HW-Rulz mode, those castles are banned and the random 1-castle generator is launched. The game will be played with this castle.
b). Trading also occurs for color and the right to choose the hero (therefore red-rush is allowed). Each player has the right to cross out 1 hero before the trade for them begins (they may waive this right), then trading for the hero occurs (when starting with Conflux, we trade just as we do for other castles), followed by trading for color. If a banned hero arrives at tavern 111 of any player with troops — auto-restart. The rule breaker gets a tech-loss. The hero must be declared to the opponent immediately after generation (for slowpokes :D within 10 seconds after start)
c). There is 1 subjective restart and objective restarts (restart due to block (inability to leave the castle) or a severe generation bug) — this is discussed between players; if no consensus is reached, the player has the right to save and contact the judges once (this applies to all templates), but please do not abuse this right as it drags out games. Objective restarts are taken no later than 112.
d). It is forbidden to steal anything other than resources and chests by passing shifted guards, or to visit objects (except mills for resources and gold, as well as boosters for increasing movement points) that do not have their own internal guard.
e). The main rule — game ethics and respectful treatment of the opponent. For violation of this rule, including on streams, sanctions against the violating player are possible, up to a ban from the tournament.
7. Skirmish is played m200 according to standard rules:

/topic/10593/

Additions: restarts total two days. Who starts red first is determined by a coin toss. Roads 1-2 (slow and medium). Players have the right to change rules by mutual agreement, except for the template being played.
Coin rule: The player who wins the draw has the right to choose the starting color in the first generation. For this, the HW Rules "Flip a Coin" option is used; the one who guesses the resulting number has the right to choose the starting color.
8. Before the round deadline, the winning player must write a report, and the loser must confirm it — those who fail to follow this rule are not admitted to the draw for the next round!
9. 3 points are given for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss.
Winners are determined by the number of points earned. In case of equal points, additional indicators apply:
1) Buchholz coefficient
2) Head-to-head match
10. In the last two rounds, draws are forbidden at the players' request!!!

11. Roads for templates:
Jebus cross - only fast
skirmish - slow and medium
Mirror and Mirror-Diamond - only medium
Anarchy - all roads
HL+U - only medium


12. On all templates, using the grail digging acceleration bug is forbidden.

III. Organizational Issues
1. The tournament is official and regular.
2. The tournament is conducted according to the Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in tournaments.
3. Tournament Lead — KobRa icq#(286406830), skype#(kobrarr),
whatsapp, viber, telegram (number in PM)
Tournament Judge and Co-Lead Dirty_Player (ICQ 408722873)
Assistants — we'll manage on our own.
4. For each played game, participants must submit a report and confirmation
5. Saves of all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented upon first request by the tournament leads or any member of the AC.
6. Disputed points, if any arise, please discuss outside the forum, in PMs. For a resolution, you must contact the Lead or Tournament Judge via ICQ and provide daily saves, ICQ logs, and other necessary information. An appeal against the Judge's decision can and should be submitted to the AC, rather than starting a flame war in the thread — it will be immediately deleted and penalty points will be assigned.
7. All tournament games go into the seasonal rating. Reports and confirmations are written in this thread.
8. The final part of the tournament will be held using a round-robin (or group) system.

IV. Participants
1. Experienced players from HW and other game resources are invited to the tournament.
2. Newcomers who have shown good results are permitted (applications will be considered on an individual basis).
3. Recently registered players are not admitted to the tournament (exception — active players from other game resources; applications will be considered on an individual basis).
4. Players with a "Black Mark" (ЧМЧ) have no right to participate in the tournament. If any player is given a Black Mark during the tournament, they will be disqualified and their results annulled.
5. Applications from undisciplined players who have repeatedly "blown off" tournaments may be rejected.
6. The organizers reserve the right to refuse participation in the tournament to a user without public explanation of reasons.
7. The Winner and 2nd-3rd place finishers of the FB-10 tournament are NOT admitted to the qualifiers (Gomunguls, Amster, LuckyF)
In reply to Grando
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8 years ago
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Al Feyn
Is anarchy any better?
It's better than all the other 8 templates. :rolleyes:
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8 years ago
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KobRa_RR
Oh, the first one went :smile16:
At least he's not asking to increase the timer...
In reply to Wicc
8 years ago
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In this tournament, normal timers are used.
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8 years ago
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Wicc
At least he's not asking to increase the timer...
It's funny to write this to Cobra, who has much bigger problems with the timer than I do. But the main thing is, he made his presence known, good job:smile02:
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8 years ago
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LuckyF
It's funny to write this to someone who has much more problems with the timer than I do.
Too much...
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Instead of a thousand words, you can just withdraw from the tournament after the first round when it becomes absolutely clear what's going on, and you don't like the smell. Why argue? Skirmish and anarchy are enjoyed by many, as is, for example, blitz-jebus. There are tournaments on mirrors and HL+U for those who prefer online play. But here, it's different. Why not? The tournament is fun. The only thing is, it doesn't even come close to being a "main event of the season."
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=Lizard=
The only thing is, he's nowhere near being a contender for the "best of the season" title.
The OFB tournament is not the main tournament. It's a QUALIFIER. In the qualifier, there should be a chance for amateurs of different templates, not just "daddy's mirror matches with Galtrons and Lunars on the first turn" and "daddy's HLecs with fast control." If you're worthy of participating in the main tournament, win a good tournament that offers a quota, or be kind enough to demonstrate skill on all templates. Why do you think only fans of mirror matches and HLecs are worthy of participating, while fans of anarchy and m200 are not?

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=Lizard=
Instead of a thousand words, you just withdraw from the tournament after 1 round.
Why even sign up in the first place? Can't you read the rules? The templates were announced in advance, and the rules were written. Or is it "we click the button and then we'll figure it out"?
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Dirty_Player
...But why even register? Can't you read the rules? The templates were announced from the beginning, and the rules were clearly stated. Or is it "we click a button and then figure it out later"?

Autoregestration HEROLWY-3000. Made in China:).
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=Lizard=
Sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words. Just withdraw from the tournament after the first round when it becomes absolutely clear what's going on, and if you don't like the smell. Why argue? Skirmish and anarchy appeal to many, just like, for example, blitz-jebus. There are tournaments on mirrors and HL+U for those who prefer "so-called papal templates." And here, why not? The tournament is fun. The only thing is, it doesn't even come close to being considered a "major season" tournament.

Here's the second one. I'm happy to discuss the "so-called papal templates" if you can back it up with statistics from games that weren't one-sided ;) and at least someone, finally, suggest a list of 9 cooler and "more balanced" templates in your opinion. :cool:
PS. The templates should be different, not nine 6lm10a :D
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8 years ago
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KobRa_RR
The second one. I'm happy to discuss the "so-called template hegemony" if you back it up with statistics from games that weren't one-sided ;) and at least someone, finally, suggest a list of 9 cooler and "more balanced" templates in your opinion. :cool:
PS. The templates should be different, not nine 6lm10a :D
It's undoubtedly difficult to find 9 good templates that would more or less satisfy everyone, but what's wrong with choosing from a reasonable pool of templates? And I personally liked this the most
KobRa_RR
Players have the right to change the rules by mutual agreement, except for the game template.
Why do players have the right to mutually agree to change any rules, but are obligated to play m200, if, for example, both consider it garbage?
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KobRa_RR
Well, can anyone finally suggest a list of 9 even cooler and more "balanced" templates in your opinion? :cool:
Purely from my noobish point of view, in the existing pool, m200 and Anarchy could be replaced with Mini-Nostu and 2sm4d(3) (not Diamond, since it already exists as a mirror). Such a pool of templates would be more conservative, so to speak. But there would be really less variety, and fans of the m200 and Anarchy playstyles would only have to wait for themed tournaments.
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Dirty_Player
Why do you think that only fans of mirror matches and HL are worthy of participating, while fans of anarchy and m200 are not?

So, where is the balance, Panic, and the Christmas tree in the end? :D Why don't they take 8xm8a year after year in OFB? Why take a mirror diamond instead of a normal one, when most people have little experience with it? Why is skirmish specifically chosen from m200 for the pool? If a player has to play on all templates, why not have a draft of 15-17 templates, like in "one for all," instead of forcing everyone to include all sorts of disgusting eights like Jebus and others?
In general, the list of templates can be discussed endlessly; there are no standards here, but a draft is definitely better than mandatory templates.
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Sanin
Well, then where is the balance, panic, or the Christmas tree, for that matter? :D Why isn't 8xm8a used in offline battles year after year? Why choose a mirror map instead of a normal diamond map, when most players have little experience with it? Why does skirmish end up in the map pool for M200? If a player has to play on all map types, why not have a map pool of 15-17 maps, like in "One for All," instead of forcing everyone to play with Jebus and other awful 8-player maps?
In general, the list of maps can be discussed endlessly; there are no standards, but a random map selection is definitely better than a forced selection.

In "One for All," that's exactly how it is: 15-17 maps, Christmas trees, and random map selection. And what, are you suggesting that the same scheme should be copied from tournament to tournament? By the way, there have been about 10 M200 tournaments, and this is already the third anarchy tournament, which speaks to the popularity of these map types. As for balance/panic/Christmas tree, I honestly don't remember. :)
I've already written and said many times why certain maps are included in the forced selection; it's all in the first post, and it's been in every offline battle or Facebook battle, and I hope it will continue to be! There's always some unique element with the map selection/castles; after all, it's a special tournament, similar to RP, and a regular random map selection is too boring. :)

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boovli
From my purely amateur point of view, in the current pool, m200 and Anarchy could be replaced with Mini-Nost and 2sm4d(3) (not Diamond, since it already exists as a mirror map). Such a map pool would be more conservative, perhaps. But there would be less variety, and fans of the m200 and Anarchy playstyles would only have to wait for themed tournaments.

It's possible, but why are these two maps better than others? More conservative? That's a weak argument. Variety is a different positive aspect, plus I chose them to please everyone: 4 HL+U maps + 3 L+U maps (2 mirrors and Anarchy, which contradict each other) + Jebus + M200. That is, everyone should have been able to find something for themselves according to my idea. :)
If I were choosing strictly for myself, there would be no Anarchy or 6LM, and the list would be different, as would the rules. :)

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In general, I'm not complaining, and I'm not forcing anyone (free work is always voluntary), but for the next offline battle, look for a different host. Lucky has many ideas, or Lizard does. :rolleyes: or maybe Dark will finally be ready for something worthwhile. :smile24:
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KobRa_RR
I don't remember anything specific about balance, panic, or the "Christmas tree" strategy. :)

There was a New Year's tournament with 21 participants focusing on the "Christmas tree" strategy. :D And besides that, the Duelist tournament, where all these strategies are also in play, hasn't finished yet.
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8 years ago
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Actually, the problem isn't that Cobra created some bad maps.
It's that, over the years, the community hasn't come up with anything else besides bad maps.
Because everyone wants to just sit down and play for fun, and everything should be awesome right away. And let Vic draw the maps, and we'll criticize them. :D
If we're talking about "esports" seriously, there's nothing else to play in SoD besides h3dm1. So, whatever you pick for such a tournament, it will either be boring (the enjoyment of playing h3dm1 isn't for everyone), or there will be some kind of issue here and there. If you try to fix it, you still won't be able to improve the map to a normal state because there's only one of them.
There's a big difference in where you get killed by a generator – on Anarchy or on MiniNost? I would choose MiniNost, though. But I agree with Cobra that this goes against the idea of the tournament.
And the root of the problem can't be solved unless someone somehow has the brains to improve the maps.
Spider somehow became playable in HotA. It happened by chance. But I believe that there are still chances, even if they aren't by chance. It's unlikely that anyone was seriously looking for them. Vic doesn't count. :D

P.S. These organizers have become so sensitive – Cobra, Dirty. Why are you getting offended? They're not discussing you. Those who are dissatisfied are dissatisfied with the decisions, and most often, first of all, with their own losses.
Don't take all these discussions personally. :smile32:
Most are just angry, fewer are discussing you, but rather ideas on how to make things better.
And the attitude towards you personally is very positive. :smile41:

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