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Posts from Dialogues with ModeratorsAuto-translated
I also received reports about this dispute. So, we will investigate. Dyrman
By the way, regarding atlant108, Rameliya, Anton Turov, according to the forum data, they have the same IP address, which suggests: are these not clones?
Yes, indeed, the IP addresses of these users match. Therefore, there are indeed questions. And it also matches with a certain Goblin_Iks, but the latter is most likely a coincidence.
I didn't read the topic very thoroughly, but giving 25 points for discussing the actions of moderators and marking with the tag OBSCENE, where there are no particular insults - in my opinion, it looks a bit biased. Such actions are not very appropriate for a moderator. Please provide links to posts with insults.
Rameliya could have received all 100 points last year, but she didn't receive even 1. I felt sorry for her. Now I see that I was wrong. (
Dyrman, as you yourself pointed out, Rameliya had no points before the conflict, and then suddenly, 100 points appeared! How is this to be understood? Essentially, you instantly awarded her these points + immediately, without any warning, blocked her profile. This is at least strange. Don't you think so? There is a clear display of negative emotions and personal dislike.
Added 1 minute ago Goblin_Iks we don't know this character.
Added 22 minutes ago Azuchi
After reviewing this episode, I can highlight the following: a) I personally don't see any insults in these two messages, but if you want to, you can find them even where they don't exist. The only difference is that the moderator can take action against the user, but the user cannot take action against the moderator.
I completely agree with this statement. The moderator's rights are unlimited, while the rights of an ordinary forum participant are severely restricted. Azuchi
... the moderator's actions as such are not being discussed; it is simply a statement of fact.
This is a very important point. A moderator can block any user without any explanation. Moderators are also people - they can make mistakes, acting under the influence of emotions and feelings. Therefore, it might be worth introducing a rule for the moderator: first, notify the user, warning them about a possible ban, give them time to think - to correct themselves (1-2 days), and then ban them if they wish. In the case of the recent episode (atlant108 and Rameliya), they were banned immediately, without warning or time to think. Azuchi
c) in the absence of an administrator on the forum, there is nowhere to complain about the moderator, which means that the last word always remains with him (even if he is wrong).
Unfortunately, this is true. A sad statement of fact. The moderator is ALWAYS right. If he is wrong, then see point one. Azuchi
With the exception of the social section and the third Heroes section, the forum is now almost dead and is going through far from its best times. To arbitrarily award points, ban non-malicious users, and create a bad reputation for the forum is not the best way to help it. Can't we show a little flexibility?
Yes, there are few of us now. And conflicts clearly lead to nothing good. The fact that moderator Dyrman knows the forum's punishment system thoroughly and instantly applies penalty sanctions to ANY forum participant is, of course, a plus for him, but Dyrman is guided only by the law, and the law without mercy leads to the destruction of not only the atmosphere on the forum, but also kills the interest and enthusiasm of many forum participants. When they are banned, many of them get offended and will not return to the forum. Trying to prove their innocence is extremely difficult and takes a lot of time and effort - and you can see this yourself!
Added 5 minutes ago Ment
I didn't allow it. My position has always been that there are private messages for such links.
atlant108 showed me this message from the moderator, so I saw it with my own eyes. When his profile is unblocked, I will ask him to show it to everyone. Ment
Why are you referring to these points? Awarding a user points, notifying him of a violation - is this an insult?
Ment, moderator Durman instantly banned both forum participants, without giving them a chance to justify themselves or explain. Even in court, when a trial is held and a verdict is passed, the defendant has a lawyer and the last word.
Справедливость превыше всего, но милосердие превыше справедливости (Ольга Брилёва)
I also received messages about this dispute. So we will sort it out. Yes, indeed, the IP addresses of these users match. Therefore, there are questions. And it also matches with a certain Goblin_Iks, but the latter is most likely just a coincidence.
I didn't read the topic very thoroughly, but giving 25 points for discussing the actions of moderators and marking posts with OBSCENE where there aren't any particular insults – in my opinion, looks a bit biased. Such actions are not quite befitting a moderator. Please provide links to posts containing insults.
Earlier, last year, there was a similar situation, but I did not assign points to that user. I didn’t pay attention to it. But forgiving twice makes one wonder about the purpose of having a moderator. If this continues again and again, then the punishment provided by the forum rules is not only fair but necessary.
Public veiled insult, for example: /post/923843/ Discussion of the moderator's actions: /topic/at/923844/ Points were not assigned for this because the violation was not systematic. Therefore, at that time, there was no point in assigning points.
Most likely, no one here knows me (and they shouldn't). However, I decided to share my humble opinion regarding the ban of Dima Zavolodko (atlant108).
Dear Remix, you are resorting to personal attacks and writing insults directed at a forum member who is no longer here. This is unfair, as he cannot defend himself. By doing so, you are violating two points, 4.9 and 4.15, according to the VIOLATIONS SYSTEM. Please be more careful with your statements in the future. Even the fact that you are friends with the moderator Dyrman does not give you the right to violate the Forum Rules; the rules are the same for everyone. Or is it not the case here?
Remix
P.S. I will only say that not long ago, Dima and I had a major argument, and he promised to ban my channel.
Dear Remix, I must be honest, I am a fan of your channel – I often visit your group, and I watch your streams every day. But you have to admit that you have probably argued with, and then made up with, at least 75% of everyone who interacts with you during your streams. That's just your personality. Please don't take this as an insult, but there are complaints directed at you personally on almost every stream. Yes, and you personally hurt me a lot at one time. And you didn't even apologize afterward. But I don't hold a grudge against you, I forgot about it a long time ago.
Справедливость превыше всего, но милосердие превыше справедливости (Ольга Брилёва)
Previously, last year, there was a similar situation, but no points were given to that user. I didn't pay attention to it. But is there any point in having a moderator if we forgive twice? If this continues to happen again and again, then the punishment stipulated by the forum rules is not only fair but also necessary.
Publicly veiled insults, for example: /post/923843/ Discussion of the moderator's actions: /topic/at/923844/ No points were issued for this because the violation was not systematic. Therefore, there was no reason to issue points at that time.
To be honest, I don’t see in any of the messages what could warrant such severe punishment up to a ban. Well, theoretically, let's say you can give points for discussing the actions of a moderator, but shouldn't people be less sensitive?:confused: Moreover, the questions were asked in a completely calm manner.
Second question. What did it all start with? Why were points issued to atlant108? I just want to fully understand the situation.
Moreover, the questions were asked in a completely calm manner. Second question. What did it all start with? Why were points awarded to atlant108? I just want to fully understand the situation.
1) Labeling a person is an insult. 2) 50 points for a pirated link in the signature (it's in the profile). Before this, it was repeatedly warned, both in private messages and on the forum, that this should not be done. Dirty_Player
Honestly, I didn't see in any message what could be punished so severely, up to a ban?
I don't ban a person; I assign points for a violation. The system bans. The total number of points was not received for one message and violation. Moreover, the system only bans for a week; I don't consider this something terrible, or even a big negative. There is time to think about not violating the rules - and that's it. But here, a ban is presented as almost death. Even after a four-time ban, people calmly create new accounts.
but how can one be so sensitive and easily offended? :confused:
These words don't offend me at all. But labeling someone is offensive. And since this is an offense, the points are justified. The fact of an offense is determined by the moderator's analysis of the message, not by its impact on someone. The messages from Rameliya were negative and offensive in nature, aimed at causing flame wars, flooding the chat, and belittling the opponent, and this was a recurring behavior. Based on this, the decision was made to award points to the user.
Dear Remix, you are resorting to personal attacks and writing insults directed at a forum member who is no longer here. This is unfair, as he cannot defend himself. By doing this, you are violating two points, 4.9 and 4.15, according to the VIOLATIONS SYSTEM. Please be more careful with your statements in the future. Even the fact that you are friends with the moderator Dyrman does not give you the right to violate the Forum Rules; the rules are the same for everyone. Or is it not the case here?
Dear Remix, to be honest, I am a fan of your channel – I often visit your group, and I watch your streams every day. But you have to agree that you have probably argued with, and then made up with, at least 75% of everyone who interacts with you during the streams. That's just your personality. Don't take this as an insult, but there are complaints directed at you personally in almost every stream. Yes, and you personally offended me a lot at one time. And you didn't even apologize after all that. But I don't hold a grudge against you, I forgot about it a long time ago.
Anton, you like to settle things. Let's do it on Skype instead, so as not to violate the forum rules. There, I will explain everything to you, and you will again say that I am right, as you have done a couple of times before. Or will you again consider this offer an insult and a personal attack?
Anton, you like to settle things, let's do it on Skype so as not to violate the forum rules. Where I can explain everything to you, and you will again say that I am right, as it was a couple of times :) Or will you again consider this suggestion an insult and a personal attack?
Remix, we've already communicated, and I accepted your point of view and even apologized, thus showing respect for you, but you didn't apologize in return and didn't remove the cause of the conflict from the page. So, what should I talk to you about? For you, this is a joke, but not for me.
Added 10 minutes later Dyrman
messages Rameliya were negative and offensive in nature, aimed at flaming, flooding, humiliating the opponent, etc., in a recurring manner. Based on this, it was decided to assign points to the user.
Highly respected Dyrman, I still haven't seen a single negative insult directed at you from this girl, what humiliation of the opponent are we talking about? How should I understand this at all? Are you personally acquainted with her?
Справедливость превыше всего, но милосердие превыше справедливости (Ольга Брилёва)
The offense is determined by analyzing the message by a moderator, not by its impact on anyone. The messages of Rameliya were negative and offensive in nature, aimed at flaming, flooding, and belittling the opponent, and so on, in a recurring manner. Based on this, a conclusion was drawn about assigning penalty points to the user.
In that case, one can only doubt the competence of the moderator, because so far, no one except him has found these offenses anywhere.
"Remix, we've already communicated, and I acknowledged your position and even apologized, thus showing respect for you, but you didn't apologize in return and didn't remove the cause of the conflict from the page. So, what should I talk to you about? For you, it's a joke, but for me, it's not."
"Anton, on the forum or VK, you can write multi-million-word posts and correspond for years, while in Skype, everything is resolved in 10 minutes, and it immediately becomes clear who is right and who is wrong. If you have any grievances against me, write, and we'll call each other. If not, then please don't write anything bad about me and don't attract additional attention to yourself."
Dirty_Player
