The most useful monster. — General

Arandor

19 years ago

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and does the immunity of Ifrits significantly protect them from Phoenixes?

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LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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Does the immunity of ifrits significantly protect them from phoenixes?

Arandor, hello:smile02:. It depends. From a direct hit or from fire breath. From the latter, yes, but not from the former. But it's a double-edged sword; the fire shield won't work on the phoenix.;)

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Zybr

19 years ago

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LeSHiJ-MaX;100555

Arandor, hello:smile02:. It depends. Whether it's a direct hit or fire breath. The latter, yes, but not the former. However, it's a double-edged sword; it won't affect the Phoenix, and it's a fire shield.;)

Leshy, I don't quite understand the meaning of your statement. Fire breath only affects the second unit, the one standing behind. And the shield works when attacking or defending:)
As for the Ifrit and Phoenix, they only deal half damage to each other.

Killer345

19 years ago

Grand elf !!!!!!!

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Ley

19 years ago

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ZYbr;100572

Lesha, I don't quite understand the meaning of that phrase. Fire Breath only affects the second unit, the one standing behind. And the shield works during attack/defense :)
Besides, the Ifrit and the Phoenix only deal half damage to each other.

He probably meant that both have immunity to fire, so the Ifrit won't deal damage with the shield, but he can deal damage with a direct attack, they won't be able to dodge :D

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elron

19 years ago

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Heh, it's been a while since I played Heroes 4, but I remember it being a turn-based RPG... the most useful monster is a hero leveled up for healing and combat (primarily defense).
And even better with a vampiric artifact or ability, I don't remember if it existed.
With two or three of these, I could take down dozens of dragons.
And in general, level 3 monsters are the main force. Djinns, Ifrits, Vampires.
Somehow, all these fearsome-looking dragons are ineffective against vampires.
Not to mention the shield - in the Chaos campaign, I had 100 Ifrits and 100 Girds
and they wiped the floor.

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LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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ZYbr;100572

Lesh, I didn't quite get the meaning of that phrase. Fire Breath only affects the second unit standing behind. And the shield works during attack\defense:)
Otherwise, the Efreet and Phoenix only take half damage from each other)

If I correctly understand the concept of "Fire Breath" (which isn't a fact), then Fire Breath only affects the second, and sometimes even the third unit (if they are standing close). The CD also has it, and I think it is calculated slightly differently than direct damage.
Have you noticed that when attacking two enemies, often the second one takes more losses than the first (again, I'm not entirely sure)
Fire Shield doesn't work on Phoenixes at all.
An Efreet standing behind someone also won't take any damage.
But they take direct damage in full (in my opinion). If this is so important to you, I'll try to find the formula and just test it in battle, but then you'll owe me a BEER:smile20:

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Zybr

19 years ago

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If I understand the meaning of "Fire Breath" correctly (which is not a given), then Fire Breath only affects the second, and sometimes even the third (if they are close). It is also present in the Black Dragons, and I believe it is calculated slightly differently than direct damage.
Have you noticed that when attacking two opponents, the second one often takes more damage than the first (again, I'm not entirely sure).
Fire Shield doesn't work on Phoenixes at all.
An Efreet standing behind someone will also take no damage.
But they receive full direct damage (as far as I know). If this is so important to you, I will try to find the formula and simply test it in battle, but then you will owe me a BEER:smile20:

Regarding direct damage, a Phoenix from an Efreet or Dragon, or an Efreet from a Dragon or Phoenix, will receive ONLY half the damage, as they attack with fire and only take half damage from fire attacks. I remember this for sure.
And regarding the breath attack, I have also noticed that the one standing behind often takes more damage.
I don't want to say that this is very important, but clarity is still needed; there is no need to search for anything, it's not life-threatening, and I don't have much beer for myself anyway:D

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LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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Regarding direct damage, the Phoenix from the Efreet or Dragon, or the Efreet from the Dragon or Phoenix, will only receive HALF the damage, since they attack with fire and only take half damage from fire attacks. I remember this clearly)

I don't want to say it's that important, but still there should be clarity, no need to look anything up, it's not critical, and there's barely enough beer for me anyway :D

Sorry for being persistent, but where did you get the information that they only take half damage from fire? PLEASE TELL ME. Because I've got the wrong information, and that's bad for the clan:)
PS I thought they were completely immune to fire. :( , and they take damage from direct attacks.

Arandor

19 years ago

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If I'm not mistaken, the game displays the skill description when you view it.

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LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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If I'm not mistaken, the game displays the skill description when you look at it.

The Ifrit has a fire attack, while the Phoenix has fire breath – these are different things. And it says there that they take half damage from fire attacks, like the Ifrit and fire elementals.
P.S. Arandor, thanks for participating.

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Zybr

19 years ago

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The Ifrit has a fire attack, while the Phoenix has fire breath – these are different things. And it says there that they take half damage from fire attacks, like the Ifrit and fire elementals.
P.S. Arann, thanks for participating.

Both have a fire attack, but the Phoenix's is more "upgraded," otherwise there's no difference.
P.S. If a unit has fire breath, it necessarily has a fire attack; these aren't completely different things.

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LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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Both have a fire attack, but the Phoenix's is more "upgraded," otherwise there's no difference.
P.S. If a unit has fire breath, it will definitely have a fire attack; these aren't entirely different things.

Still, it's possible that you're wrong; the description states that fire breath is the ability to hit multiple opponents, and nothing is said about a fire attack.

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BASON

19 years ago

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Perhaps you are mistaken; the description states that fiery breath is an ability to strike multiple opponents, and nothing is mentioned about a fire attack:(

I would humbly point out that the breath is indeed fiery and therefore is a fire spell with all the consequences that entails. In particular, it is impossible to strike an ifrit, a fire elemental, or a phoenix with fiery breath. In melee combat, the Black Dragon uses a fire attack(!) that matches the attack of an ifrit, a fire elemental, and a phoenix in its properties, which means that only half of the Black Dragon's attack will affect these units.
And one more thing: you may not believe it, but the damage of the breath is equal to the damage in melee combat.