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Sacred Haven of Debauchery

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What shall we name the establishment?
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“Flooding.” Simple and effective
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Leave it as is – “Fludnyak”
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“A den of debauchery.” How original!
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Brewery
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I used it as an epigraph to the ending and Anders' actions in it, to emphasize his determination and willingness to go all the way. It was implied that this phrase should conclude a brief account of my impressions.

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Well, it looks like you sided with Anders instead of killing him for his crimes (and he himself is suffering, along with Justice).
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Well, in the end, that's what happened. I mean, I sided with Anders. He should have been killed earlier, but now it's pointless. Again, as a mage, I would have preferred to live a normal life rather than be a dog on a leash for the Church. I remember, in the first part, even though I played as a good guy, I still spoke out against the oppression of mages whenever I could, especially to Wynne, that crazy moralist who the Templars spit on, and she just wipes her face and says, "It's a blessing from God." It's disgusting. And in Kirkwall, it's even worse, you heard it yourself, right? Of course, Justice went too far, but, as Flemeth said, "When the world is going down the drain, jump in after it." Yeah, Anders got what he wanted, and at what a moment! When I had almost convinced Meredith and Orsino to compromise. I remember, after his speech and actions, I was stunned, and somehow, the phrase about the freedom of mages flashed through my mind. Nothing can be done, we'll have to deal with the consequences in the third part.

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Well, in the end, that's what happened. I mean, I sided with Anders. He should have been killed earlier, but now it's pointless. Besides, as a mage, I would have preferred to live a normal life rather than be a dog on a leash for the Church.
Indeed, it makes sense when playing as a mage. Although, mages can also be saved on the side of the Templars.
And in Kirkwall, it's even worse, you heard it yourself, right?
Yeah, I'm amazed at "What idiot came up with the idea to put a circle of mages in a place with a thin veil, instead of transferring them from Kirkwall and Starkhaven?!"
Nothing can be done, we'll have to deal with it all in the third part.
That's exactly why I played through parts 1 and 2, doing all sorts of crazy things in the world (freedom for mages, helping the cultists), and in the third part, if the hero is new, I'm going to play as a Templar.
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I actually played through parts 1 and 2 for this purpose, creating all sorts of chaos in the world.
Yes, I heard that idea – to play through the first part in such a way that more negative events occur in the second. And indeed, the guy was completely right – he set up a backstory for a noble gnome who crushed everything in his path, and lo and behold, two new quests appeared, based on his actions.
Although the mages can be saved on the side of the Haven.
I saved them anyway – I killed Meredith and started a rebellion :P

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I saved them anyway – I killed Meredith and started a rebellion :P
Well, Meredith is actually better than Orsino. If it weren't for the idol, the elf wouldn't have had any chance at all.
By the way, did the red lyrium also confuse you? It used to be blue, right?
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Well, Meredith is actually better than Orsino.
A crazy, magic-idol-obsessed, paranoid (even before getting the idol) and fanatical old woman is better than a wizard fighting against blood magic and trying to find a compromise? Did I understand your point correctly?
By the way, were you also confused by the red lyrium, because it used to be blue?
In the inventory of Dragon Age: Origins, it was red, I assure you. Red powder.

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A crazy, magic-idol-obsessed, paranoid (even before obtaining the idol), and fanatical old woman.
If you have a heart-to-heart conversation with her, she will admit that it is better for other people to judge mages. And she also treats them badly because of her sister, who became possessed in childhood (they hid her from the circle) and killed not only the entire Meredith family but also destroyed the entire village.
A wizard fighting against blood magic and trying to find a compromise? Did I understand your thought correctly?
A wizard fighting against blood magic does not supply necromancers with books from a closed library.
In the inventory of DA:O, it was red, I assure you. Red powder.
I'm talking about deposits; I thought they were blue in the first part.
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If you talk to her frankly, she will admit that it is better for other people to judge mages.
Another reason to leave this position and do something simpler.
A wizard fighting against blood magic does not supply necromancers with books from a closed library.
Hmm, I didn't know that, but I remember the letter was signed "O," but isn't that blood magic? Raising the dead is certainly unethical, but it presents a certain theoretical interest. And regarding his crimes, Hawk said it very well: "People were not killed by the mage; they were killed by a madman. He could have done the same with a knife."
I'm talking about the deposits; I thought they were blue in the first part.
They were a murky color, and I didn't even try to figure out what color they were. Besides, in the inventory, it was red!

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Resurrecting corpses is certainly unethical, but it does present a certain theoretical interest. And as for his crimes, Hawke put it very well: "It wasn't the mage who killed people, it was a madman. He could have done the same with a knife."
Orsino himself says that he helped Quentin. You can ask the Temple guards about the mages, briefly, before the transformation, and you can even ask the Temple knights about this.
As for the madness, an ordinary person won't suddenly become obsessed, only with the help of a mage, but a mage...
Besides, he was red in the inventory!
Yes, I just looked for screenshots.

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Another reason to leave this position and do something simpler.
Probably, she would have done just that, leaving the position to Callen. But it didn't work out, because of the idol.
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About the mages, briefly, before the transformation.
I was playing with a Russian speaker because my English isn't perfect. Before the transformation, he simply said that "Quentis's experience was disgusting to me," meaning it was difficult to believe he helped him. But I'll take your word for it.
As for the madness, an ordinary person wouldn't suddenly become possessed, only with the help of a mage, but a mage...
But possession and madness aren't related. Quentis wasn't possessed, and he didn't change his appearance until the very end, right?
Probably, she would have done so, leaving the position to Callen. But it didn't happen, because of the idol.
Probably, if Meredith hadn't pressured the mages, none of this would have happened.

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Quentin wasn't obsessed, and he didn't change his appearance until the very end, right?
Yes, I think I overcomplicated things in that phrase. I meant that anyone can go mad, but the chances of becoming possessed are high for mages and negligible for ordinary people.
Perhaps, if Meredith hadn't put pressure on the mages, none of this would have happened.
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a) It's not a fact that things would have been better; it could have become a "second Tevinter" (Kirkwall has a society that studies the legacy of the Templars).
b) She went berserk after the idol; before that, everything was harsh, but justified, given the circumstances in Kirkwall.
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a) It's not a given that it would be better; it could have been a "second Tevinter" (Kirkwall has a society that studies the legacy of the Magisters).
As if Tevinter is a bad thing.
She went wild after the idol; before that, everything was harsh, but justified, given the circumstances in Kirkwall.
Well, yes, that's probably why the Templar initiates spread the darkest rumors about the trials for becoming, well, Templars. And various townspeople talk nonsense. It's nothing; Meredith just wanted justice. As did Anders, by the way.

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What is that elevator in the Redding mine for? I go in, and nothing happens. The rope doesn't attach either. Is it just there for decoration?

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As if Thedas is any better.
Absolutely. It's sacrificing the few for the many, and the many for the few. And their leadership is unstable, to boot.
Templar initiates spread the darkest rumors about the Joining.
Should I quote Cullen?
And all sorts of townsfolk spread nonsense.
Again, there are all sorts of rumors. It's not a fact that they aren't spread by the same blood mages.
Just like Anders, by the way.
Anders is a fool who didn't learn the basic lessons taught in the Circle, and that's why he failed and lost control of himself.
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