Foreign ideals are fleeting and do not deserve to exist. — Everything about everything.

Wistrit

18 years ago

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A good title for a thread, right? It has a provocative and arrogant tone. However, I'm not going to start shouting that everyone around me is a brainless simpleton, etc. I'd like to discuss the following:
Quite often, let's say every 6 meters on the road of life, you encounter those who want to trample everything we hold dear, believing that only they are the true bearers of beauty. These "those who..." fiercely mock us, mostly by pouring dirt on us. The question arises: if we are such miserable fools, etc., why not just stay silent? Why talk about something completely absurd and unnecessary, especially to insult?
So, who are they? Maybe they are superhumans who look down on everyone and laugh only because they don't bother with all sorts of nonsense?
Or maybe they are miserable simpletons who, in fact, have no ideals at all, or their ideals are simply insignificant?
Or are they simply those who are unable to appreciate the essence of beautiful things?
Is it even worth speaking badly about others?
What do you think? All options, opinions, and examples are considered...

SandroXXL

18 years ago

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Jerks (not out of love, longing, or pity). :) They just have their own insecurities and like to take it out on others. They understand their own shortcomings and want to project them onto others, showing that there's someone worse than them. But in general, it's not worth paying attention to them; there are millions of them. And there's nothing you can do about it. In most cases, it's best to just walk away; sometimes that doesn't help – then you might end up with bruises. I especially can't stand thugs; I've run into them a couple of times, but it always worked out.

idiotto

18 years ago

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Hmm, sometimes we don't even realize we're being offensive. And by criticizing seemingly simple things that are part of someone's soul, we can hurt them with our words. This is unavoidable. Everyone has different interests, and such situations often happen unintentionally. But if someone intentionally insults, they often do it anyway. I won't even talk about the "thugs" – these simple-minded people will never understand anything different from their system. But even free-thinking people are not perfect. In short, there are different situations here. You can stay silent, you can say that the topic is personal and it's unpleasant to judge, you can tell them to go away, or you can hit them – there are many options.
P.S. WisTrit, you created this topic, but not so long ago, you yourself committed a similar act, leaving a joke about Christianity here on the forum in the topic about "Dom2." And it slightly offended me (and maybe someone else). So, I repeat – sometimes, without even wanting to, we offend.

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Wistrit

18 years ago

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In the Дом2 thread, I didn't want to offend anyone; please don't take it as a deliberate attack on Christianity. I am 100% neutral towards it (as long as it doesn't bother me).
But if it has to be said differently: SORRY TO ALL CHRISTIANS, I DIDN'T MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE!
By the way, the Дом2 post was about Дом2, not about Christianity.
What about a specific insult, with the INTENTION OF INSULTING? Not just accidentally offending someone... it happens to everyone, but if someone approaches you and says, for example, "You're a Christian, aren't you? Well, you're a **..." and so on, what then?

P.S. Is it okay to tell them to go away or hit them? Usually, THOSE who want to insult someone just gather in groups that outnumber you several times over. And yet, they still sneak up from behind.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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Those who gather in groups, clearly outnumbering you, are best avoided. I myself have had several encounters with people who wanted to "cause trouble," and my friends have told me stories, and I've heard many unpleasant stories from acquaintances of my parents as well. One of my friends was randomly punched in the face by a passing thug (he was with a whole group). He was walking with a friend at the time. Naturally, two 15-year-old teenagers couldn't do anything against a group of thugs. They had to walk away, feeling terribly humiliated and offended. As for ordinary insults... I don't like serious conflicts and try to avoid them. Some people get masochistic pleasure from it; they enjoy exchanging meaningless and demeaning remarks, insulting others, and even fighting. Therefore, I usually find ways to get out of such situations without "flaming" or fighting. But that's when it comes to me and my peers. Perhaps WisTrit was referring to more adult examples. As for Christianity, no one has ever insulted me because of it. And why would they? I don't even wear a cross.

idiotto

18 years ago

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Oh, forget about what I said about Christianity))) I just mentioned it, there was no need to make such a big deal out of it))))
Regarding the "gopota" (thugs)), haha, I love remembering Metalocalypse. "They'll die soon anyway)))"

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Wistrit

18 years ago

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Major Whirlwind;188107

I don't like serious conflicts and try to avoid escalating them. Some people seem to enjoy it, deriving masochistic pleasure from exchanging meaningless and demeaning remarks, insulting others, and even fighting. Therefore, I usually find ways to get out of such situations without "flaming" or fighting. But this applies to me and my peers. Perhaps WisTrit meant more mature examples. As for Christianity, no one has ever insulted me because of it. And why would they? I don't even wear a cross.

Most likely, no one here wants to escalate the conflict; usually, it's the opponents who do (if they escalate the conflict, they are opponents). But what are these methods?
WisTrit meant ALL examples! No one here suffers from ageism.
Why are you all fixated on Christianity?! Enough about it! :)
"Are you a gamer? You're a **...."
"Are you not Russian? You're a **...."
"Do you drink juice? You're a **...."
"Are you standing here? You're a **...."
"Are you a human? You're a **...."
Do I need to elaborate on every example like this?:)

Hero In

18 years ago

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WisTrit;187861
Quite often, let's say every 6 meters, on the road of life, you encounter those who crave to drag everything that is dear to us into the mud, believing that only they are the true and righteous bearers of beauty. ...
I recognize myself in these lines =)
With some reservations...
Yes, I consider myself a "true and righteous bearer of beauty," but not only myself...
And, personally, I don't crave to drag anything into the mud (do I crave it?), it's just that sometimes there are people who are so wooden and think they are someone special, that it is very useful to make fun of such people and put them in their place =)
WisTrit;187861
Is it worth speaking ill of others at all?
What do you think? All options, opinions, and examples are considered...
Why not... if a person deserves it? =) Just don't stoop to direct insults; there are many other ways... And the way a person reacts, how they behave, and what they say can radically change the opinion about them...

Loken

18 years ago

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I've always considered myself a liberal person. Indeed, to each their own, with a few exceptions... but that doesn't matter. Anyone can have any ideals, and their comrade or neighbor may respect them, but that doesn't mean that many people care about them. For the most part, everyone couldn't care less. A person creates their own moral principles for themselves in order to act accordingly, because they believe that this is the right way to act. And if these principles are truly important to them, they will defend them if someone tries to take them away, or if their "ideals are dragged through the mud." Yes, the world is a cruel place. No one said it would be easy, and that every person you meet will be gallant, polite, and considerate. Besides, behind all the demagoguery and mudslinging, there is often not just a desire to "drag through the mud," but perhaps the same "ideals," but completely opposite? Or just a bad mood? Or maybe it's so stupid/absurd/crude/immature/.../..., that the very attempt to Find a Deeper Meaning is heresy and nonsense? And if it's the first, that is, there are other views, does that mean that the person whose "ideals are being dragged through the mud by someone" is not himself a malicious critic of other people's opinions? And does that mean that he is obliged to respect this "dragging through the mud," since it is precisely this that reflects a view of the object from a different perspective? And should he remain silent? It's rambling, but I think the essence can be understood.

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Wistrit

18 years ago

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Everyone has their own opinion, except for a couple of things... but that doesn't matter.

So, go ahead and say, what are these things that are forbidden for personal opinion?

Anyone can have any ideals, a comrade, a neighbor can respect them, but that doesn't mean that many people care about them. For the most part, everyone doesn't care about them.

Yeah, and some people don't even care, and then they don't care even more...

No one said it would be easy, and that every person you meet will be gallant, polite, and considerate. Besides, behind all the demagoguery and mudslinging, there is often not just a desire to "mudsling," but perhaps the same "ideals," but completely opposite?

So what's the point of "mudslinging" if it only leads to resistance? And equal resistance. What's the point of butting heads?... When you can just not do it on both sides.

Or, perhaps, it's so stupid/absurd/crude/immature/.../..., that the very attempt to Find a Deep Meaning is heresy and nonsense?

Please, elaborate... what established principles can be linked to "stupid/absurd/crude/immature"? For whom is it "crude and immature," and for whom is it "you're all idiots...", this is again an (aggressive) elevation of one's own ideals above others. The same head-butting...

And if it is the first, that is, there are other views, does that mean that a person whose "ideals are being dragged through the mud by someone" is not himself a malicious violator of other people's opinions? And does that mean that he is obliged to respect this "dragging through the mud," since it is precisely this that reflects a view of the object from a different perspective? And should he remain silent?

We are talking not about an outside view, but about a specific insult with some purpose (what purpose?). And when a person's ideals are simply insulted (how many times have I said this word?), why shouldn't he respond in kind? By showing the same disrespect...

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Zybr

18 years ago

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We're not talking about a simple differing opinion, but about a specific insult with some purpose (what purpose?). And when a person's ideals are simply insulted (how many times have I said this word?), why shouldn't they respond in kind? By showing the same disrespect...

But why sink to the same level? If it's someone towards whom you have an indifferent or negative attitude, are their remarks worthy of any response? Because often, that's exactly what the provocation is aimed at.

Initially, you should respect everyone's opinion, but you should only value and consider the opinions of friends, acquaintances, etc.
This doesn't mean you should ignore all strangers, but you also shouldn't take their unpleasant remarks too personally.

So what's the point of "getting into it" if it will only lead to resistance? And equal resistance at that. What's the point of butting heads when you can simply not do it on either side?

Still, people are different. Some consider themselves superior to others, and they are eager to "prove" their superiority.

Overall, it's a somewhat nonsensical topic.
The initial point is irrelevant.

Loken

18 years ago

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Whether it's nonsensical or not, I know at least one factor that motivated the author to create it.
WisTrit, if you have any specific questions for me, you can contact me privately, instead of gradually expressing your negativity in every post, because I really don't like quoting and dissecting things piece by piece.

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Wistrit

18 years ago

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Honestly, it's a bit of a nonsensical topic.
It doesn't really address anything specific.

Yeah, we're all going to die anyway, so it's pointless...

This thread wasn't created for settling scores between "one" (insert name here) and "another" (insert name here).

As for provocation, if you're being attacked, shouldn't you at least defend yourself? I'm right, aren't I? And the best defense is a good offense, although that's just my personal opinion.