Morale system. — Suggestions and improvements.

AmberSoler

19 years ago

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Recent changes to the morale calculation system contain a delayed-action mine that provokes limited users of the portal to engage in unworthy behavior. An example of the behavior of a random unhealthy social element following the principle of “came, messed up, and left” – all posts in the topic received a minus, each of which reduces morale by 10 points: /topic/2920/ Given this user’s registration date, I wouldn't be surprised if it is a clone of one of the existing residents of the portal, which the administration can determine using the IP address. Question: why does one “minus” equal ten pluses? Previously, there was no such hooliganism because similar actions were pointless. Now, they are gaining meaning… Suggestion: restore balance to the system with a +/- ratio of 1:1 and clear the posts from recent days that have been unfairly given a reduction in morale. What do you think about this?

Amko

19 years ago

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Here's a suggestion: 2+ = 1-. The fewer posts, the less time since registration, and the lower the reputation (badges) a user has, the less they can influence the morale of other users per day. For example, a newbie can only influence it 3 times, while a moderator with 1000 posts and 3 badges can influence it much more (e.g., 25 times a day). IMO, this would be better. :rolleyes:

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AmberSoler

19 years ago

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Night Nazgul;106454

There's a suggestion: 2+ = 1-, meaning that the fewer posts, the less time since registration, and the lower the reputation (badges) a user has, the less they can influence the morale of other users per day.

Why does 2=1? The morale system is designed to show the usefulness of a user – this is stated among its goals. So why does one good post have less usefulness than one bad post – uselessness...? :)

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Amko

19 years ago

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AmberSoler;106459

Why does 2=1? The morale system is designed to show the user's value – this is stated among the goals of its implementation. So why does one good message have less value than one bad message – uselessness...? :)

So that people don't post useless messages, so that they are strictly punished. :D But 10 to 1, that's already too much, IMHO...

LeSHiJ-MaX

19 years ago

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The actions of the "ytsu" user definitely need to be addressed, but I agree with the 1 to 10 ratio (although for me, a 1 to 5 ratio seems normal).
If I understand correctly, according to the esteemed Alan, this nickname will be permanently banned. According to AmberSoler, it is clear that the owner of the nickname can be found.
We simply need to take decisive measures against this individual and make the information publicly available so that others won't even think about doing the same.
With respect to AmberSoler, LeSHiJ-MaX!

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Vlad

19 years ago

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No, why change the balance... to prevent something like this from happening, you just need to limit users. For example, only users with, say, 10 posts and a positive morale score should be able to influence the morale of others.

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AmberSoler

19 years ago

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Xaker;106476

No, why change the balance... to prevent this from happening, you just need to limit users. That is, someone who has, say, 10 posts and a positive morale, can influence the morale of others...

You simply don't receive negative ratings just because your opponent disagrees with you! What do useless posts have to do with it? For example, I disagree with your post and provide an argument against it... There are people on the portal (who have more than 10 posts and a positive reputation) who also give their opponent a negative rating... simply because they disagree with what he says...

You can argue with me, but I'll give you another negative rating and again write that you are wrong! What will you do in this case? Will you agree that you are posting useless content? I doubt you will... But you've already received a -20 reputation points. It's absurd.

This is just the beginning. The nonsense will only get worse.
Sooner or later, measures will have to be taken. But why wait?

As always, IMHO.

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Night Nazgul;106460

To prevent people from posting useless content, to severely punish them. :D But 10 to 1 is already too much, IMHO...

Exactly! USELESS! This is the key word.
Should I show you messages that you are unlikely to consider useless and for which they give a negative rating? There are many such messages... We don't give negative ratings for useless messages; often, we simply use negative ratings to express our personal attitude towards the person we are talking to...

For total spam, for obscene language, for obvious aggression, you can give a negative rating as a punishment. But what does uselessness have to do with it? Let's think...

SandroXXL

19 years ago

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The system is malfunctioning. This weirdo, "ytsu," appeared and started discouraging everyone. Take a look, for example, at the mapmaking contest thread; it's a complete mess, especially on the last page! Something needs to be done about "ytsu" urgently.
P.S. And what, can we justify him by saying he doesn't agree with anyone?

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AmberSoler

19 years ago

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SandroXXL;106510

The system is malfunctioning. This weirdo "ytsu" appeared and started lowering everyone's morale. Take a look, for example, at the mapmaking contest thread; it's a complete mess, especially on the last page! Something needs to be done about "ytsu" urgently.
P.S. And is it okay to justify him, saying he doesn't agree with anyone?

Hmm... so all the posts in this thread are dedicated to this very issue... :)

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VDV_forever

19 years ago

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SandroXXL;106510

The system is malfunctioning. This weirdo "ytsu" appeared and started lowering everyone's morale. Take a look, for example, at the thread for the best map contest; it's a complete mess, especially on the last page! Something needs to be done about "ytsu" urgently.
P.S. And is it okay to justify him, saying he doesn't agree with anyone?

A request has already been submitted to the creator to resolve this incident.
I think it will be fixed soon, and the reputation will be restored;)

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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AmberSoler

19 years ago

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VDV_forever;106513

A request has already been submitted to the developer to fix this issue.

First and foremost, the cause should be eliminated, not the consequences...

Arandor

19 years ago

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If I'm not mistaken, the issue has also been resolved.

P.S. I hope I understood correctly.

SandroXXL

19 years ago

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I'm just annoyed. I watched the conversation between AmberSoler and Xaker and decided that you are discussing the system in GENERAL, not addressing a specific issue. I will be more attentive in the future. Night Nazgul's idea is indeed interesting – to give moderators and regular users more rights and restrict newcomers, but after a thorough introduction to the forum, newcomers will gain more rights. As for 2+=1-, maybe he meant 1+=2-, otherwise everything will go wrong. No, it's better to make + and - equal; first, we need to limit some particularly active forum users.

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AmberSoler

19 years ago

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Arandor;106517

If I'm not mistaken, the cause has also been eliminated.

P.S. I hope I understood correctly.

The cause is an imbalance within the community between positive and negative contributions. This imbalance provokes unscrupulous individuals to reveal their true nature... And it is this imbalance that needs to be eliminated to prevent a recurrence of such incidents. Although - today we are simply seeing a clear example. And similar actions on a smaller scale (because they will remain unnoticed) may occur everywhere. This will not benefit the cause...

HwKeeper

19 years ago

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The user "йцу" was apparently created intentionally by someone who wanted to deliberately commit a series of violations on HeroesWorld, while ensuring their own security by using a public anonymous proxy server located in France.

The user "йцу" himself has been banned from HeroesWorld, and all of his morale reductions have been canceled.

At this time, to prevent a number of similar possible cases, a restriction has been introduced that does not allow users with fewer than 25 posts to lower the morale of other users.

In the near future, two more modules will be added to the existing morale system, which will allow for the tracking of intentional morale reductions and correct the imbalance announced in this thread.

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