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19 years ago
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So, many people have expressed their opinion about the Overlord, but what is your opinion about Perumov's "Ring of Darkness"?
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19 years ago
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The book isn't bad; it maintains the spirit of The Lord of the Rings, but some moments don't quite fit together.
Не фантастика, но все же
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19 years ago
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...but some moments just don't make sense.
Yeah, especially the battle in Rohan... it's awful... Perumov probably wasn't good at math in school...

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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19 years ago
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A good and interesting book.
Белый и Пушистый! Иногда.....
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19 years ago
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Never mind, it's an interesting book. Although some moments are really flawed. Overall, of all the sequels, I like The Black Book of Arda more; it maintains the spirit of Tolkien better.
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19 years ago
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My opinion is simple – The Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest works of world literature, and everything I can say about Perumov and The Ring of Darkness should be mercilessly censored:mad::mad::mad:
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19 years ago
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I couldn't get through it; there were too many words. And if I'm being serious, I don't like Perumov, and I can't even read his works when I have the flu. Let his fans forgive me.
Я вернулась... :smile24:
Ну что, не ждали? :smile08:
Пусть за нас говорит сталь! :smile13:
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19 years ago
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A lot of text isn't scary. What's scary is the order in which this (rather unpleasant) Perumov arranges them...

Please, no kicking. I've already expressed my opinion, and I won't try to convince anyone, as it's pointless, so I'm leaving the thread.
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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19 years ago
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Yeah, there are plenty of blunders like: Lule instead of Aule or Ungoliant the spider becoming an Ungoliant of the underworld, but those are minor things.
Technical Support is handled well there, and combat errors are very few (roughly as many as Tolkien has)
A new take on Middle-earth - yes, that's exactly why many people bash it.
The sequel to "Henna's Adamant" turned out to be an absolute failure.
The style is a bit too epic and you get tired of reading by the end.
Overall, these are very different books - Tolkien has a sad-philosophical saga, while Perumov has gritty combat with some philosophical ideas.
I also liked The Black Book of Arda, but if there Niënna carries it with beautiful language and logical justification for the new perspective, then Perumov carries it through the combat, vividness, and epic nature of the narrative.
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19 years ago
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There are many flaws, such as Lule instead of Aule, or Ungoliant, the spider, becoming Ungoliath of the Underworld, but these are minor.
Technical aspects are well-executed, and there are very few flaws in the combat system (about the same as in Tolkien's works).
A new perspective on Middle-earth – yes, and that's precisely why many criticize it.
The sequel, "Adamant of Henna," turned out to be completely unsuccessful.
The style is somewhat too epic, and you get tired of reading it towards the end.
Overall, these are very different books – Tolkien's is a sad, philosophical saga, while Perumov's is a harsh combat story with some philosophical ideas.
I also liked "The Black Book of Arda," but if there, Nienna relies on beautiful language and a logical justification for a new perspective, then Perumov relies on combat, brightness, and the epic nature of the narrative.
Guys, what are you reading???:smile48: I'm in shock.:eek: All of Perumov's works are terribly primitive, and "Ring of Darkness," etc., are just fan fiction, and bad fan fiction at that (actually, "per" in Elvish means "half," so Nikolka got offended at the Elves). If you tried to mention in a serious RPG that Perumov is generally not bad, you would be buried alive, or sent to an asylum. And Nienna's "creation" is just a bunch of sentimental female drivel spread over many pages. It was after this that the joke about the 3 tasks for a Tolkien fan was finally formed: to cross a moat with werewolves, to obtain a Silmaril, and to dishonor Nienna.
And here's a joke on the topic:
A Tolkien fan ends up in Middle-earth. He sees mighty knights in mithril armor with huge swords, approaches them, and asks:
- Are you Gondorian knights?
- No, we are Perumovian hobbits.
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19 years ago
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Perumov's works are all terribly primitive.
Examples? Does the multi-layered and intricate plot leave many questions unanswered until the very last pages of the Ordered Cycle? Does it involve merging several book series into one? Does it feature complex characters and the changing nature of many of them?
The Dark Circle is fan fiction.
In that case, "The Lord of the Rings" is fan fiction based on the Ring of the Nibelungs, and Goethe's "Faust" is fan fiction based on ancient Scandinavian sagas.
If you dared to mention in a serious RPG that Perumov is generally not bad, you would be buried alive, or at least sent to an asylum.
By "serious RPG," you probably mean a gathering of orthodox and fanatical Tolkien fans. Well, fanaticism usually doesn't lead to anything good. It's good that there are fewer of these "serious" RPGs and more RPGs with the participation of normal people with open minds.
Perumov's work has proven its viability, at least by the fact that it has been published for over ten years, has gathered its group of fans, and even in a dispute on Litforum between Tolkienists and Perumovists, the Perumovists won.
And Nienna's "creation" is just a bunch of sentimental female drivel spread over many pages.
Examples? Try writing a couple of pages of similar drivel that is also the opposite of the plot of a well-known book, but written logically and correctly, and with beautiful turns of phrase.
I know many jokes about Middle-earth myself.
Let me clarify: I am not a fan of Nienna (I only liked the first part of the Black Book of Arda), and I am not a fan of Perumov: I have already said that he has some flaws, the narrative is sometimes drawn out, etc., but you can't criticize them for "daring to touch the sacred."
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19 years ago
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Examples?
ANY book.
Multilayered and intricate plot where many questions remain unanswered until the very last pages of the Ordered Cycle? Merging several book series into one? Complex characters and the changing nature of many characters?
I laughed for a long time, thank you. You say complex characters, but ask any normal linguist or literary scholar to analyze Perumov's language and his characters. If you remove their lengthy complaints about it, you can hear a professional opinion that is very different from yours. His plot twists and endings are also very unexpected, especially in The Stations of the Magician. It's all (childish) unexpected.
In that case, "The Lord of the Rings" is a fanfic of the Ring of the Nibelungs, and Goethe's "Faust" is a fanfic of ancient Scandinavian sagas.
No offense, but you should at least clarify the meaning of the words you use. Fanfiction implies action in a specific world or the transfer of specific characters from another work. In Perumov and Nienna's works, everyone hangs out in Arda, while Tolkien has his own world, which is very different from the world in which the events of the Song of the Nibelungs take place (have you even read it?).
- you probably consider a gathering of orthodox and fanatical Tolkien fans to be a serious role-playing game, well, fanaticism usually doesn't lead to anything good, it's good that there are fewer of these "serious" role-playing games and more role-playing games with the participation of normal people with an open mind.
By a serious role-playing game, I mean a game with a large number of thoughtful and attentive people. Among Perumov's fans, I don't personally know any such people, although I know quite a few fans of this guy. And do you often attend role-playing games, that you noticed such "ambiguous" trends?
Perumov's work has proven its viability at least by the fact that it has been published for more than ten years, has gathered its group of fans,
You have original criteria for viability. Drugs also have their own group of fans, I would even say fanatics. They are also "published" for a very long time. If something is liked by someone, it does not necessarily mean that it is worth it.
and even on Litforum in a dispute between Tolkienists and Perumists, the Perumists won.
Thank you, I laughed again. There are no winners in a dispute, it is not a race or a problem that can be solved unambiguously. And who shouted louder is not an indicator.
Try writing a couple of pages of similar nonsense yourself.
Although I do not claim to have literary talent, I could probably write a couple of pages, but I would not sign my name to it, I would be ashamed to associate myself with such a thing.
I'm explaining that I'm not a fan of Nienna (I only liked the first part of the Black Book of Arda), and I'm not a fan of Perumov: I already said that he has some flaws, the narrative is sometimes drawn out, etc., but you can't criticize them for "daring to touch the sacred."
I'm not a Tolkienist either (rather, the first stage of Tolkienism: I read it - I liked it), and I'm not criticizing them for "daring to touch the sacred." If you have talent, write your own, if you want a sequel, make it high quality. If you can't do either, do something else.
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19 years ago
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It's hard to argue with such compelling arguments as strong emotions, but I'll try.
ANY book.
I'll answer just as categorically - NONE (at least of those I've read, well, maybe "Adamant of Henna").
I laughed for a long time, thank you. You say complex characters, but ask any normal linguist or literary scholar to analyze Perumov's language and his characters. If you remove their lengthy arguments about it, you can hear a professional opinion that is very different from yours. His plot twists and storylines are also very unexpected, especially in "The Stations of the Mage." It's all just (childish) unexpectedness.
Please, happy belated April Fool's Day! I haven't read "Wanderings of the Mage" (I know the plot in brief), but here I meant not the plot of one book, but the entire "Ordered" series. Regarding literary scholars - by the way, one of his books is on the list of required reading for 11th grade in some schools (the information is not 100% verified, but this is not an April Fool's joke, as I've heard about it for a long time from several sources).
By "serious role-playing," I mean a game with a large number of thoughtful and attentive people. Among Perumov's fans, I don't personally know any such people, although I know quite a few fans of this author. And do you often participate in role-playing games, that you've noticed such "ambiguous" trends?
And here I wasn't talking about Perumov's role-playing being superior to Tolkien's. I was talking about the excessive harshness of judgments. I don't participate in role-playing games, but I often visit the Internet.
Thank you, I laughed again.
In a debate, there are no winners, it's not a race or a problem that can be solved unequivocally. And who shouts the loudest is not an indicator.
I also laughed; I meant not the forum chatter (as it usually happens with us), but the competition that took place on Litforum.
Although I don't claim to have literary talent, I could probably write a couple of pages, but I wouldn't sign my name to it; I would be ashamed to associate myself with something like that.
And how will I respond to such an attack? I won't. Because you didn't respond to mine either, completely ignoring the words about the logical coherence, beautiful phrases, and examples.
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19 years ago
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I don't have any particular opinion about it; I've read other works by Perumov, but I have to say, he's starting to annoy me...
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19 years ago
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By the way, does anyone have "The Ring of the Nibelung" they could share? I would be very grateful. :)

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров

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