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This is a continuation of the topic at /topic/14579/ September 4, 2019 -=-OFFICIAL RULES=- (revised on September 6, 2019, 16:00)

Prize: 11,000 rubles (indexed)

as of 23:59 (Moscow time) on September 30 (Monday), 2019, for TOP1 HotA Lobby player who registered in this thread and was approved by me.
Approved participants:
1) All those who participated in Round 1
2) Amilu, Lutski, Stinger
3) Those who applied later and were approved by me in this thread

1) Abusing and rating farming are prohibited.
2) A positive change in participant's Rating is allowed no more than once per hour.
3) Three violations of condition 2 are permitted (for quick "wins" on maps 111-117).
4) The first three players claiming the Prize during the period from September 23 to September 30, 2019 must play at least 5 games with direct competitors – tournament-approved participants. Challenge priority is as follows: TOP3, TOP2, TOP1.

That is, TOP3 can challenge either TOP1 or TOP2, and the latter must accept the challenge.
TOP2 challenges TOP1, and acceptance of the challenge is mandatory.
If TOP1 receives challenges from both TOP3 and TOP2, then TOP3 has priority over playing against TOP1.
If there are no challenges for TOP1 and TOP2 from direct competitors, then games with anyone count towards the 5 required games for the period from September 23 to September 30. If there are challenges, then games with anyone do not count towards the required 5 games.

{revision from 16:00 on September 6, 2019
Reports on completed required games from September 23-30 should be posted in this thread no later than 24 hours after the game ends (so that competing participants have timely information for their strategies and tactics). Alternatively, a standard ХВ report with a link to this thread within the same timeframe - 24 hours after the end of the game
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{Added. Revision on September 18, 2019
If TOP3 uses the right to prioritize playing against TOP1, then the right passes to TOP2, who also loses priority in favor of TOP3 after playing against TOP1 (that is, the right to challenge TOP1 alternates starting with TOP3).}

5) If it is impossible to agree on a map template for fulfilling condition 4 of the tournament, the player who sent the first challenge offers no more than 4 templates, and the accepting player, having studied the proposed templates, adds up to 3 of his own templates if desired. The choice from the proposed templates (maximum 7) is made by drawing lots. The player who accepted the challenge decides who starts the draw first.

6) Challenges and their acceptance according to condition 4, as well as map templates according to condition 5, should be written in PMs, and if necessary – in this thread (to avoid falsification and unfounded accusations).
In the challenge message to TOP1 or TOP2, you can attach a screenshot confirming your presence in the TOP3 Lobby with the date and time.

7) In case of imbalance, I will ban G+U at any moment. Starting from which participants will be prohibited from playing G+U for rating. Or I will introduce a limit on the number of games on G+U for each participant. A ban or restriction, if introduced, will be indicated in this item No. 7.

ATTENTION!
G+U Ban
Starting from 00:01 on September 23, 2019, it is forbidden to play G+U MAPS for rating.
The ban applies both to starting new games and to saves. All unfinished saves before the ban are not allowed to be completed for the tournament. Games started before the ban deadline on G+U may be finished without saving.


Late applications are accepted.

Participants as of 14:00 Moscow time on September 4, 2019:
FTS, Yenot, Frisha, Bishop, Hellight or Android (but only one), Dawidu91, Gomunguls, =Lizard=, YaR, New_attempt, Amilu, Lutski, Stinger

Participants as of 13:00 Moscow time on September 6, 2019:
FTS, Yenot, Frisha, Bishop, Hellight or Android (but only one), Dawidu91, Gomunguls, =Lizard=, YaR, New_attempt, Amilu, Lutski, Stinger, Jelen117

Participants as of 00:10 Moscow time on September 14, 2019:
FTS, Frisha, Bishop, Hellight or Android (but only one), Dawidu91, Gomunguls, =Lizard=, YaR, New_attempt, Amilu, Lutski, Stinger, Jelen117

Current participants (23:45 Moscow time on September 26, 2019):
FTS, Frisha, Bishop, Hellight or Android (but only one), Dawidu91, Gomunguls, =Lizard=, YaR, New_attempt, Amilu, Lutski
(Stinger was removed for violating the G+U ban, Hellen – for violating odd).

Good luck, have fun.

M. aka osfaraon

-REQUIRED GAMES FOR TOP3-

1) FireToSky DEF LuckyF 09/24/2019, 18:23 - the composition of TOP3 has not changed; their ranking has changed.
2) LuckyF WIN =Lizard= 09/27/2019, 15:40 - the composition and ranking of TOP3 have not changed.



LuckyF achieved a convincing victory!

- TOP1 in the tournament
- TOP1 in HotA Lobby
- 1000+ points!!!

I am impressed! Congratulations!

4) The first TOP3 players vying for the Prize, during the period of September 23 - 30, 2019, must play at least 5 games with direct competitors - participants admitted to the tournament. The priority for issuing challenges is as follows: TOP3, TOP2, TOP1.

That is, TOP3 can challenge either TOP1 or TOP2, and the latter must accept the challenge.
TOP2 challenges TOP1, and the latter must accept the challenge.
If TOP1 receives challenges from both TOP3 and TOP2, then TOP3 has priority in playing against TOP1.
If there are no challenges for TOP1 and TOP2 from direct competitors, then any game counts towards the 5 mandatory games for the period of September 23-30.

It's not quite clear. Each of the Top 3 must play 5 games with competitors. But if Top 3 plays against Top 1 on September 23rd and loses, and as a result falls out of the Top 3, does the next challenge come from him, or can a new Top 3 player step in?
Or is the Top 3 determined by the 23rd, and the winner is determined only among them?
Maybe it would be better to determine the Top 4 on a specific date and have them compete for the prize in an Olympic-style format: 1-4 and 2-3, and then a final between the winners? In this case, the player higher in the ranking chooses the map?

It's not entirely clear. Each of the Top 3 should play 5 games against competitors. If the Top 3 plays against the Top 1 on September 23rd and loses, and is thus eliminated from the Top 3, does the next challenger come from the same group, or can a new Top 3 player step in?
Or is the Top 3 determined by the 23rd, and the winner is decided only among them?
Maybe it would be better to determine the Top 4 by a specific date and have them compete for prizes in an Olympic-style tournament: 1-4 and 2-3, with a final between the winners? In this case, the player higher in the ranking chooses the map?

Thank you for the clarification.

Starting on September 23rd:
If you are eliminated from the Top 3, you lose the right to challenge the Top 1 and 2. If you enter the Top 3, you gain the right to challenge. The Top 3 is dynamic.

Based on the initial experience, it became clear that the Top 3 players eligible for the competition (although they may be in other, lower positions in the lobby) are usually 3-4 of the same players.
The need for this condition is due to the problem of the Top 1 player not wanting to play in the last week at all, maintaining an unrealistically high rating.

The main thing is that the Top 1 player has 5 games by September 30th, as per condition 4. Mathematically, I don't believe that someone outside the Top 3 can break into the Top 1 at the last moment, unless they are colluding with someone from the Top 3. And that would be abuse and a violation of rule 1.

For the Top 2 and 3, it doesn't really matter whether they have 5 games or not, since the prize is only for the best. But the Top 2 and 3 have a tool to provide real competition to the Top 1 in direct games. And those who are slightly behind have the motivation to get at least into the Top 3.

Added a hint in point 6:
"You can attach a screenshot to the challenge message to the Top 1 and 2, confirming your position in the Top 3 in the lobby, with the date and time."

Thank you for the clarification.

If you drop out of the top 3, you lose the right to challenge the top 1 and 2. If you break into the top 3, you gain the right to challenge. The top 3 is dynamic.

The need for this condition is due to the problem of a top 1 player not wanting to play at all in the last week, maintaining an incredibly high rating.

Again, if you break into the top 3, you challenge higher-ranked players, but for some reason, they don't have time to play with you, or they postpone it, and after a couple of days, player 4 or 5 overtakes you, and they tell you that they are no longer obligated to play with you until you regain your position. There will be many ways to avoid playing, and then there will be arguments about who didn't fulfill the conditions and why.
A fixed Olympic-style system would be easier for you as organizers, and the value of such games would increase many times over.
In any case, respect for these competitions for the top 1 ranking.

Once again, I broke into the Top 3, challenged higher-ranked players, but for some reason, they couldn't find the time to play, or they kept postponing it. Then, after a couple of days, players ranked 4 or 5 overtook me, and they said they weren't even obligated to play with me until I regained my position. There will be many ways to avoid playing, and then arguments about who didn't fulfill the conditions and why.
However, a fixed "Olympic-style" bracket would be easier for you as organizers, and it would also significantly increase the value of these games.
In any case, respect for organizing these competitions for the TOP 1 ranking.

A game based on a challenge must take place.

All the history will be visible in this thread.
In any case, a challenge is just a regular game for a participant. I assume that everyone here is a fan of Heroes 3, and they don't need to be forced to play; they are ready to play 24/7. Otherwise, why be active here?

If any pair or player turns out to be uncooperative, I will moderate with a decisive decision as the Organizer. I don't believe there will be any problems, tensions, or the need for me to intervene, as this is a closed Club of Friends, and almost everyone knows each other personally or through mutual acquaintances.

I strongly suggest banning games on the “g+u” map in this tournament.

I strongly suggest banning games on g+u in this tournament.

Let them have fun. And how can you completely ban it or calculate the rating separately? Baratorich didn't show any interest in helping. It's easier to adjust the Elo formula by removing the extreme dependence on cells.

Indirectly, in key games for the TOP3, g+u can be completely eliminated by either of the two players according to point 5 of the conditions.

And for those who "ignored" the rating, they can quickly farm in the Lobby ) g+u will only help them )

5 games, with the top 3 from each game from the 23rd to the 30th – that’s a total of 10 games. Does that mean someone will have to play 2 games a day?

5 games each, the top 3 from the 23rd to the 30th, that's a total of 10 games. Does that mean someone has to play 2 games a day?

I'm in the Top 1, 2, or 3, it doesn't matter, and I have to play 5 games. How will 10 mandatory games be achieved?

If the Top 1, starting on September 23rd, plays 5 games by challenging the Top 3 or Top 2, they will have fulfilled their obligation. Even if the Top 2 or 3 change, it doesn't obligate the Top 1 to do anything further.

The same applies to the Top 2.

I remind you that this rule was introduced to prevent a situation where, for example, Yenot doesn't play at all for a week or two.
I also repeat that I don't believe that someone from outside the Top 3 will break into the Top 1 in the last few days.

Wouldn't it be more interesting if the challenger also suggested a map template for the game, without any temples?

Wouldn't it be more interesting if the challenger also suggested a template on which the game would be played? Without any churches.

That's a good idea, I like it. If the participants don't mind, I'll change it. But the pool of challenge templates should probably still be limited.

I probably won't be competing for the top spot due to my limited playtime, but I'll give it a try.
The last option – I'm against it, I don't like it. The proposed option with the checkmark is more interesting.

Could you please tell me where that list of "seven proposed templates" is located?

Could you please tell me where that list of "seven proposed templates" is written?

It's in the first post, point 5 of the tournament rules. Specific templates are left to the discretion of the top players.)

5) If it's not possible to agree on a template for the game to fulfill condition 4 of the tournament, the player who sent the challenge first proposes no more than 4 templates, and the player accepting the challenge, after reviewing the proposed templates, adds no more than 3 of their own templates if they wish. The choice from the proposed templates (maximum 7) is made by drawing lots. The player who accepted the challenge decides who starts the drawing first.

How does that reconcile with the phrase

...but the pool of summoning templates should probably still be limited.

?
Right now, the pool is not limited in any way. You can choose any four absurd options, and one of them will be played.