A tribunal of honor against scammers from the Heroes community. — Tournament Committee

kenben

7 years ago

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A question arises regarding the attitude of the court of honor towards streamers from the Heroes community who trade on trust and involve their viewers in scams, in particular (helllight-xbet), creating a sense of trust towards scammers against the backdrop of the gentlemanly game of Heroes 3, thereby becoming scammers themselves, as they are paid to have their viewers (our Heroes community) participate in these schemes. :mad: P.S. Every day they have new websites due to legislative blocks and other measures based on fraud and illegal activities.

MerlinTheMagician

7 years ago

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kenben

P.S. Every day they have new websites due to legislative restrictions and other reasons based on fraud and illegal activities.

Legislative restrictions in Russia are related not to fraud, but to the gambling business. As for 1xBet, it's a shady company in itself...
But this is the same as blaming someone for any advertisement. For example, Coca-Cola is advertised on TV. Or McDonald's. This is an absolute evil for the body... However, everyone has their own brain and their own choice.
Or, for example, Sberbank is advertised - and these guys are making a fortune off everyone... (especially now that they can, on pseudo-legal grounds, delay - and do delay - any transaction and freeze any funds of any account, making a considerable profit from this, that is, from using other people's funds).
And where is your "court of honor" then?...
Write to "Sportloto"...
Read the definition of "fraud" in the legislation before trying to label anyone (otherwise, you might end up facing criminal charges for libel).

Moderators, please move the topic to the appropriate section - it clearly has nothing to do with the Tournament Committee.

Aweary

7 years ago

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kenben

The question arises regarding the attitude of the honor court towards streamers from the Heroes community who trade on trust and involve their viewers in scams, in particular (helllight-xbet), creating a sense of trust towards scammers against the backdrop of the gentlemanly game of Heroes 3, thereby becoming scammers themselves, as they are paid to have their viewers (our Heroes community) participate in these schemes.:mad:

P.S. Every day they have new websites due to legislative blocks and other measures based on fraud and illegal activities.

It seems to me that he can advertise anything, even the sale of Parmesan cheese, which is prohibited for Russians to eat, as long as it doesn't violate Twitch's rules. And your envy should have been eradicated in childhood through upbringing. Where did you grow up, brother, that the advertisement of a betting company bothers you so much?

Marmot

7 years ago

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We can move the discussion of this topic to the Forum.
If we talk about game streamers in general, this is a sensitive issue: some of them, despite having a million-strong audience, advertise dubious or outright fraudulent projects based on the principle that "money doesn't smell." And considering that the popularity and authority of streamers inspire trust in the advertised products, and the majority of the audience consists of teenagers or young people with a low level of critical thinking, the profit from the advertised projects turns out to be very high. Streamers have ready-made excuses if someone starts to criticize them, and they won't even respond to individual viewers – only if the criticism comes from someone of roughly the same level of popularity and authority. One author even had a video titled something like "Top 10 Corrupt Video Bloggers in the Russian-speaking Internet" (but it's clear that there are many more, it's just that you can't expect to see advertisements for anything decent from smaller authors).
There was a specific case that I observed last year: one streamer advertised a website that, based on several indicators, was fraudulent. A lot of people who fell for it (and practically everyone did) wrote angry comments under the video, to which he didn't respond at all. However, I don't know what happened next, but he almost certainly continues to stream as if nothing happened and may even advertise something bad again.

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MerlinTheMagician

7 years ago

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Marmot

Speaking generally about streamers, it's a sensitive issue: some of them, despite having a million-strong audience, advertise questionable or outright fraudulent projects based on the principle that "money doesn't smell."

But this doesn't make these streamers scammers. Or, in response to an advertising offer, are you suggesting that they should be required to demand the organization's financial documents? That's absurd. The fact that some kind of initial internal censorship is necessary, because the streamer is advertising this in their own name, is true. But this censorship is purely individual.
If the aforementioned 1xBet is a scam, and not just a heavily promoted bookmaker forced to operate outside of Russian law, then the affected topic starter (or someone from their friends and acquaintances) could have written that: they tried to withdraw funds, but were ignored (and I quite possibly believe this - I just don't have that information, and it's not in the initial post either).
And, essentially, the topic starter made unsubstantiated claims, without any evidence, equating Hellight (and before that, Redwait had a banner) with scammers. And that's already a specific personal attack.
And who should be brought to a "court of honor" if the topic starter's "honor" allows them to groundlessly accuse anyone of anything.
All of this looks more like some kind of smear campaign. And a personal one at that. Either they were banned... Or they lost...

HellLighT

7 years ago

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Yes, this is that degenerate who was banned 2 years ago, don't pay attention to him.

positive

6 years ago

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Enter "1xbet разоблачение" on YouTube, and the very first video by "Dvizhnov" with 2.3 million views will tell you that it is indeed a scam. I didn't think that even Heroes of Might and Magic streamers would start advertising bookmakers and scammers, but as they say, money doesn't smell, does it?

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MerlinTheMagician

6 years ago

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This is more specific, thank you, I checked it out – I was impressed.

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socola

6 years ago

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Search on YouTube for: 1xbet разоблачение
and the very first video, by "Dvizhnov" with 2.3 million views, will tell you that it is indeed a scam.

I didn't think that even Heroes streamers would start advertising bookmakers and scammers, but as they say, money doesn't smell, does it?

The fact that the site is blocked in Russia only indicates that the bookmaker does not operate through the Centralized System for Taking Interactive Bets (TSUPIS) and does not pay them a percentage of the profit. It would be foolish to consider the company a scam solely on this basis.

positive

6 years ago

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Watch the video, please. You'll understand a lot.
Here's another video, just a general overview of betting and bookmakers from a well-known figure in certain circles, DOCHI. A former mapmaker, now a businessman, and seemingly the only one who actually runs a business and shares a lot of information about how business is conducted in Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSzxM1c9DJM

P.S. The video is 4 minutes long, but it's very concise.
Do you still have any questions about betting and bookmakers?

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socola

6 years ago

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Please watch the video; you'll understand a lot.
Here's another video, generally about betting and bookmakers, from a well-known figure in certain circles, DOCHI. A former builder, now a businessman, and seemingly the only one who actually runs a business and shares a lot of information about how business is conducted in Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSzxM1c9DJM

P.S. The video is 4 minutes long, but it's very concise.
Do you still have questions about betting and bookmakers?

What exactly should I understand? That bookmakers make money at the expense of players? Well, you have to be an idiot not to understand that. But every business makes money at the expense of its customers; does that mean every business should be considered a scam?

I don't know anything about 1xbet, but if they really block accounts and don't pay out winnings, then that's terrible, and advertising such a bookmaker is shameful.
But many bookmakers operate honestly and make money through the margin (which is initially included in the odds). So, it's wrong to equate bookmakers with scammers.

Grando

6 years ago

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In Russia and Ukraine, there simply aren't any decent bookmakers. And there haven't been any since Marathon was forced out of the post-Soviet market; it was several leagues ahead of the surrounding mediocrity. Since then, a Russian/Ukrainian bookmaker equals either the nonsensical ramblings of simpletons with absurd odds and almost instantaneous maximum bet limits for any sensible player (Fonbet, Betsity, etc.) or outright scams (like 1xBet). You don't even need to experience this firsthand to understand it. Just read the existing reviews. In general, in the world of bookmakers, there are enough that play both "fairly and strongly" and "weakly, but still fairly."

positive

6 years ago

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What's the point of being a regular bookmaker if you can operate with almost 100% profit? In other words, players cannot withdraw their winnings, even if they happen to win by chance.

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socola

6 years ago

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What's the point of being a regular bookmaker if you can operate with almost 100% profit? That is, players cannot withdraw their winnings, even if they appear by chance.

Probably because no one would play with such a bookmaker, right?