Posts from Fair Play

Due to the recent increase in scandals involving appeals to the AC,
I want to share a few thoughts on this matter. Games should bring joy and pleasure, and controversial situations should, where possible,
be resolved peacefully through negotiations. Appealing to the AC is a last resort. I don't want to offend anyone, but
such scandals do no credit to either the opponent or the complainant, even if the reason for the appeal to the AC is justified. Again, I'm not judging anyone, just expressing frustration. I myself would very much dislike being one of the parties involved.

But here's what I'm getting at. We remember the bad for a long time, but forget the good (myself included). I suggest we fix that.
Let's write in this thread examples of fair play and noble, friendly behavior from opponents. Perhaps,
if the thread generates interest, we could even establish an annual vote for Fair Play in the future.
I'll try to recall a couple of examples from my own experience.
1. A tournament game against avellimachi (3-in-1 Tournament). During my turn, the power went out
(I think I was even in combat with neutrals at the time), and I was really worried
that this would raise suspicions, since I was just starting to play on ХВ and this was my first tournament. I probably would have suspected foul play myself in a similar situation. But my opponent showed
friendliness and offered to load a battle save himself. I ended up winning that game.
2. A season game against Fill-ua, I think the template was 8mm6a. Rests were chosen, a tiny, completely empty respawn (absolutely empty),
strong guards at the chokes. I was soundly defeated by the 3rd or 4th turn and surrendered. The opponent looked at the save and said
that due to such a surrender, a tech rest was warranted (I'm still not sure about this myself), and he chose not to write a victory report.

There were also lost season games where opponents didn't write reports, but in those cases, I don't know—maybe it was forgetfulness, or maybe laziness )).
I've noticed that many quite skilled players don't care about the rating at all; they just play for their own enjoyment.

P.S. THIS THREAD IS FOR POSITIVE EXAMPLES ONLY (for complaints about unsportsmanlike behavior, bugs, etc.—please post in the Tribune or other sections), as well as FOR DISCUSSING THE PRINCIPLES OF FAIR PLAY THEMSELVES (what each of us means by this concept)

Lucky_George - we played many 6-player matches with him, and there were never any controversial or problematic situations. We uploaded saves, and everything was fine. I recommend this player if he matches your rating. mda - we also played many 6-player matches with this guy, and nothing bad was noticed except that he doesn't know how to lose emotionally :) But then he calms down and says, "Let's play another one!"

I support this initiative. Many players in the community have already impressed me with their fair play attitude, though I can't remember them all, but at least some of them. :)

Shevanesian. When I returned to Heroes, back when it was still WT, he was my first opponent. He patiently helped me figure everything out, got me up to "working condition" for my first game, and played that first game with me.

Surreal. The Mirror-2 tournament. We managed to mess up the settings and rules three times in our match. I lost. And a few days after he won, he suggested replaying the game with completely correct settings and no mistakes. You can find the details in the tournament reports. It was a rather remarkable case.

Dave_HUN. Dave appeared during a period when different opponents in different tournaments messed up the game time three times in a row, and I was particularly upset about it. I suggested to him that if we agree on a time, and if one of us is more than 20 minutes late, they should simply immediately write a report about their defeat. And he replied that he understood what I meant and fully agreed. People like that do exist. :smile03:

Sanin, Ihromant (aka Zawulon). I've only had positive experiences communicating with them. They are thoughtful and calm. I'm very glad to see them among the organizers.
I had periods when I played several practice games in a row with both of them. I always lost to Sanin, and I think I had a positive record against Ihromant.
And if I had the time, I would continue playing with each of them. Because everything was great.

There was a situation that stuck in my memory.
I was playing a tournament game against Psyche_7 on Jebus, and in time trouble, I made a red rush in a winning situation. The game was being streamed by both of us, and Nikolai first suggested a rematch without the growth for the viewers and then insisted that I advance further in the tournament.

link to the tournament: https://vk.com/topic-3487221_25532272

and the report itself:
Nikolay Saiko Jan 15, 2012 at 19:42
Both the final and everything else, and also why I believe that

BAJIEHOK (red, conflux, random, Grindan) def Psyche_7 (blue, castle, Tauris, Bron), SoD, Jebus Cross, 141

can be viewed here: http://ru.justin.tv/psyche_7/videos

P.S. To summarize once again: I am a supporter of the SPIRIT, not the LETTER of the rules. We played SoD only because there was no connection to WT; in WT, red-rush is allowed (since you pay money for the red color and all its advantages). The game lasted over 10 hours, it was already night (or morning), and a WT-like reflex kicked in. This PARTICULAR game against a PARTICULAR opponent should not end like this. It is undeserved. My opponent outplayed me (or made fewer/less critical mistakes). So here, Artyom WINS, it is my right; if anyone objects or argues, I will withdraw from the tournament (sorry for the bluntness — I don't want discussions).

It's nice that there are people with such an attitude. I hardly believe that now in the tournament you'll be able to read such a report; rather, in the AK thread you can stumble upon some scam.

Oh, there have been many such situations. It's impossible to remember them all. 1. Sevensan. During the 9 Kingdoms tournament, he made concessions to his opponents more than once. There was even a situation with Toganaш, where the game was started, but then he disappeared. A technical decision had already been made. But when Tog appeared at the last moment, Sevensan agreed to replay the game and gave his opponent a chance. 2. Bishop. During the tournament, he also constantly made concessions and adapted to opponents who arrived late and prolonged the games. I remember how he waited a long time for Herolwy, for example. But there were no complaints. In general, Bishop left a pleasant impression of being a calm and good-natured person. 3. Amiloo. He had to replace Cobra in the tournament, and Amiloo agreed. He quickly played all the delayed games, and the tournament didn't get delayed. He also adapted to his opponents and didn't complain. Also, as far as I know, there was a game where Maretti violated a rule in a game against him. But Amiloo forgave this violation, and Maretti won. And Amiloo said that he didn't regret it. 4. DimaSurmay. He also adapted to his opponents during the tournament. Moreover, he even advised players and helped them set up the programs. He was always polite and calm. 5. Psyche_7. He also adapted to his opponents. Even when he was on business trips, he tried to find time for his opponents. 6. Maxgor. In the first subscribers' tournament, after Ubity violated the rules in the final, he forgave this violation. In the second subscribers' tournament, his opponent, Noobas-Kontrobass, forfeited due to an unplayable situation. Max looked at the saves and offered to replay the game, giving his opponent a chance. I also try to be accommodating. Often, I have to play against players who don't know the rules very well. If there weren't many violations or they weren't significant, I don't see anything wrong with it. Also, no one is immune to misclicks or forgetting something due to fatigue. With the emergence of other versions of the game (besides the classic one), there are sometimes cases of confusion between them. When a player tries to do something based on one of the versions in Soda. Of course, there were also principled players. But that's their right, their personal time, and their desire.

I want to tell you about a player who could easily be nominated for the title of "anti Fair Play". ...
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P.S. Alfein just wrote in the chat that this is a topic for positive feedback and that I shouldn't have posted all this here. ...

Exactly, this topic was created exclusively FOR POSITIVE FEEDBACK about players and specific actions, precisely in contrast to conflicts and complaints. Please refrain from the latter in the future; there is a Tournament Committee (Tribunal, etc.) for that.

I wouldn't mind expanding the topic to discuss the principles of Fair Play in general (as long as it doesn't lead to arguments and accusations). I've noticed that different people have different interpretations of this concept. For some, it's simply playing fairly, without intentionally breaking the rules. In the sports world, it's often interpreted more broadly, as noble gestures towards opponents, such as this one:

https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/1552409.html

This is what I'd like to discuss.
1. There are indeed players who intentionally don't submit winning reports in ranked seasons; I won't name names (but they readily confirm losing reports). Is there some kind of special trick to this? You encounter such a player in a tournament, not knowing them, and instead of an expected easy win, you get your butt kicked. )))
I'm just curious about your opinion: do you think it's okay to play ranked seasons with such players with the goal of increasing your rating?

2. There's a concept of "boosting your rating by playing against noobs." A newly registered player has a rating of 1500, which is higher than many experienced players. It's easier to beat them, and the rating gain is higher. I used to specifically try to catch such players, considering it normal, since I was still a newbie myself. Now I don't do that anymore, but in principle, I wouldn't judge anyone for doing so, especially since it only works until you raise your rating to a certain level. ))

What do you think?

From recent experiences, I recall a case with Etalon. I had a fairly favorable respawn on Jebus Cross; taking two tier-1 creatures before leaving with Tazar, having enough timer, I measured the exit moves using the mirror and out of habit pressed Esc, then confirmed with Enter. The move was very straightforward, I explained it, and my opponent didn't demand a forfeit, but instead loaded his save and let me retake the move 1:1 in the same way.

Overall, for me, the principles of Fair Play primarily include not abusing the rules. For example, when a red rush on a non-XL map or an impassable guard situation occurs, I usually agree to a draw without a report with opponents I play often, if the opponent has a winning position. I also respect opponents who give generous rests when, for instance, they get a block that is theoretically avoidable but ruins the entire game and early tempo, and I do the same in such cases.

Ihromant, I've said it many times before: a misclick is, by its very nature, an error, as it's the result of a brief loss of concentration. Therefore, auto-win due to a misclick is absurd. I myself sometimes misclick (like any normal person), and I once asked for an auto-win in such situations, but over time I came to the conclusion above.

Ihromant, I've said it many times before, a misclick is essentially a mistake because it's the result of a brief loss of concentration. Therefore, auto-completion after a misclick is nonsense. I sometimes misclick myself (like everyone else) and once asked for auto-completion in such situations, but over time I came to the conclusion above.

I agree, and I don't complain when I misclick and don't ask for auto-completion, but there's a difference between misclicking in a battle and losing an angel or 2 ducks (which is unpleasant, but usually doesn't completely ruin the game. Even losing a hero that broke on the ramparts can be recovered, which I've done many times), and making a perfect move and then exiting instead of passing the turn (which is essentially a guaranteed loss), which is what I wanted to do next. I'll remind you again, the opponent had every right to file a report and forfeit, but he went out of his way to help me, and I'm very grateful to him for that.

I agree, and I don't complain when I misclick and don't ask for an auto-win, but it's one thing to misclick in a battle and lose an angel or 2 ducks (which is unpleasant, but usually doesn't completely ruin the game. Even losing a hero that broke on the ramparts can be recovered, which I've done more than once), and it's another thing to make a perfectly executed move and then exit instead of passing the turn (which is essentially a guaranteed loss), which I wanted to do as the next action. I'll remind you again, the opponent had every right to file a report and forfeit, but he went out of his way to accommodate me, and I'm very grateful to him for that.

Let me tell you a cool story, bro. I'm playing with Yarick, it's late game, the timer is running out. And I suddenly need to go to the bathroom, so I think I'll either ask for an auto-win later or not. I skipped an entire turn, but it's okay, I'm still alive and well. Don't worry, only fun :smile26:

In principle, I also believe that a misclick is not a reason to ask for an auto-win; it's a game error, just like destroying your main hero with Shackles. If it's critical, then surrender. You can inform your opponent, and if they happen to offer an auto-win, you can agree; this is common in ranked matches, but it's up to them. However, I don't think it's worth putting your opponent in an awkward position with such requests, as it can be just as unpleasant to refuse as it is to be refused. As for accidentally passing your turn, that's entirely up to the opponent. If they offer an auto-win, that's respectful; if they don't, there should be no hard feelings. Also, I wanted to mention something else. Once, when I asked a player not to bother me with silly comments and pressure during my turn, they said that it was their tactic. I believe that this is not a tactic at all, but rather bad manners and a lack of respect for the opponent!

From recent events, I want to recall a case with Etalon. I had a pretty sweet respawn on Jebus Cross; I take two drowners before exiting with Tazar, having enough timer I measure the moves to the exit using the frame and out of inertia press Esc, and confirm with Enter.

Guys, you are writing about slightly different misclicks, it turns out; when he exited, did he also need to write something to the GG in ICQ?) I agree that most likely not everyone would have given a re here) especially in a tournament game, so this is the most genuine Fair Play there is)

I recall an act of fair play in last OFB tournament, round 4. I was playing Jebus vs Falcone, after I used up 2 restarts I got the smallest jebus resp I have ever seen on XL, with close to nothing on it, was completely impossible to break week 2, even week 3 is doubtful. I only saw this on day 2, and was ready to call gg. I doubt it would ever qualify as tech restart, but opponent offered to regenerate in exchange for my last 111.

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