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I was thinking about something. In football, there are relegation championships; in our game, all championships are held in the same way. But there's also the Premier League, where 16 teams play regularly, there's a tournament table, and it shows the results. If you set a game for 3 weeks, you could create a similar Premier League with 16 players. At the end of the year, the 2 worst players are eliminated, and 2 new players come in to replace them (for example, from a special tournament). And of course, IMO, the champion in such a league would be much more significant because, thanks to the law of large numbers, you get a fairer assessment than in knockout tournaments (where people constantly complain about single elimination, uneven distribution of players, etc.). Maybe something similar existed before, but what do you think about the idea?
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи ICQ:5676388
ЯR
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we do have a seasonal league, people play there, and there are leaderboards. Ideally, we should have not just one, but 4-5 such leagues, so that everyone can participate, but there's no one to manage it...
Dark30
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I agree, there aren't that many players, and most of them just keep playing to avoid losing their rating (I won't say who). Some don't play against weaker players for ethical reasons. All that needs to be organized. We could divide them into groups of 12-15 players and require them to play 2 games within 3 months (one as blue, one as red). We could also address issues like disconnections, but there's a chance that people might lose interest in this. I support the idea; I like it. If the author takes on the organization, I'm willing to help until April.
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Piterius
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I also think about this from time to time. We only have the FB league, which essentially consists of 10-12 people, and everyone else just watches and participates in the season, which can't really be called a league. In my opinion, the selection process for the FB league, as well as the FB league itself, is losing its popularity and appeal in its current form. Therefore, I also support the idea of developing several leagues, with the worst teams being relegated to lower leagues and the best teams moving up to higher leagues – this would motivate constant participation in the tournament, as losing could result in relegation, for example.
If most of the rounds, and especially the "matches of the round," are streamed and commented on, this would also be beneficial for the streamers themselves – the number of viewers would increase significantly if everything is organized and promoted effectively. But I think this would require financial investment, as a significant number of people would need to be involved in the organization, and it is unlikely that this could be achieved on a voluntary basis.
So, if this idea is to be considered, it should be as a business project, with sponsors and other benefits, and with investors who need to see monetization. It is quite possible that there is a group of Heroes players who are willing to finance such a project, perhaps starting with small budgets. I am willing to participate in finding ways to monetize it if such like-minded people can be found.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.
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Dirty_Player
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Zawulon
I was thinking about this. In football, there are relegation championships; in our game, all championships are structured the same way. But there's also the Premier League, where 16 teams play regularly, there's a league table, and it shows the results. If you set the game duration to 3 weeks, you could create a similar Premier League with 16 players. At the end of the year, the 2 worst players are eliminated, and 2 new players are brought in (e.g., from a special tournament). And, in my opinion, the champion in such a league would be much more significant because, thanks to the law of large numbers, you get a fairer assessment than in elimination tournaments (where people constantly complain about single elimination, uneven distribution of players, etc.). Maybe something similar existed before, but what do you think of the idea?
I'll say right away that such an idea is doomed to fail. It might look good on paper, but in reality, it turns out to be different.
If you look at the history, there was a tournament on HP with a similar system. The tournament ended after 2 seasons. And why? People simply got tired of playing the same thing with the same people. Even in our Facebook group, where the roster is updated every year, withdrawals still happen. And they happen because people simply don't have the motivation to play in the middle or at the bottom of the table.
Besides, there were similar tournaments on the Hive, such as the Crusade, the idea of which was to play for the sake of playing – it ended after the second season, and the organizer disappeared. There was also the Champions League, which, in terms of the tournament format, went well, mainly because of the prize pool. A second season was planned, but the organizer disappeared. (Coincidence? I don't think so :D)
It's silly to compare this to football because, in football, teams receive salaries and play mainly for the audience, who need regular matches of their team.
Palach HP
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So, the problem is essentially with the organizers), not the players—people were ready to play and enter the premiere. Only 10 people were on the HP (Heroes Portal), and 2 dropped out, while 30 people were competing for a spot + from the HP Cup you could also get into the premiere, and then the 8th place would also drop out if the cup was won by someone not in the top 8. The idea is very cool and doable, it's just a matter of the organizers, really :). I ran one of the cup seasons on HP, and here on HeroesWorld I helped judge and ran some tournaments together with Zloy). But I'll say, you're taking on a lot, and sometimes you get sick of all kinds of crap that comes to you on ICQ nonstop, plus everything takes time. And you try to do everything on time, but sometimes someone doesn't finish their games, you go out of your way to accommodate them and give someone an extension, and then some experienced fighters shower you with abuse because the draw wasn't made exactly on the minute. (Everyone who has judged or is judging will understand me). By the way, there was a good tournament — All for One. Looks like we lost it, which is a shame — it was played for a long time. And that's because of the organizer problem. First, you need to get organizers, and they should change every season so they can rest. People will play both in seasonals, elimination tournaments, and such premieres can be arranged.
=Lizard=
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There was an idea to hold a tournament at the end of the year, similar to tennis – a top 8 ranking. This would increase motivation for the ranking and improve the "ranking of rankings."
I like the idea, and I would like to get into the top league and stay there, but of course, the question is who will take on the responsibility of being a permanent organizer.
Palach HP
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I need to think about it. If someone helps, I might take on the task (start one or two seasons). However, it won't be a top 8 or ranking-based idea. It will be something different: two tournaments a year, each lasting half a year. Simultaneously, two leagues will run, followed by a month-long break in the summer, and then a new season will start, taking into account entries and exits. That's how I envision it.
I need to think about it. If someone helps, I might take on the task (start one or two seasons). But it won't be a top 8 or similar ranking-based idea. It will be something different: two tournaments a year, each lasting half a year. At the same time, two leagues will run, followed by a month-long break in the summer, and then a new season will start, taking into account entries and exits. That's how I envision it.
For this to even theoretically work, we need contributions from participants, let's say, into a League Fund. Otherwise, at least half of the players will definitely drop out and become inactive, and all these leagues will quickly turn into chaos.
Here's a debatable question: Do you want to collect one unit or more? And how do you see the situation?)) In one league, you have 10 top players. In another, you have 50. You have 60,000 in prize money. You would probably suggest that 10,000 would be the prize for the second league, and 50,000 for the first, right?) I think the idea of an entry fee for a large second league is doomed to fail:), no one will pay money for other people. Many people play for fun, and moving to another league is already a certain incentive for them.
St_Klaus
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The idea is excellent. I support it. The discussion forum is important not in terms of good or bad, whether it will succeed or fail, but in terms of how to organize it. I don't have experience in organizing things, but I have the desire, the brains, and the skills (and a little time). I'm ready to help with the organization.
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Ihromant
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Dirty_Player
I'll say right away that this kind of idea is doomed to fail. It might look cool on paper, but in reality, it turns out to be not so great.
If you look at the history, there was a similar tournament on HP, with the same system. The tournament ended after 2 seasons. And why? People simply got tired of playing the same game with the same people. Even in our Facebook group, where the roster is updated every year, withdrawals still happen. And they happen because people simply don't have the motivation to play in the middle or at the bottom of the table.
Besides, there were similar tournaments on the Hive, like the Crusade, the idea of which was to play for the sake of playing – it ended in the second season, and the organizer disappeared. There was also the Champions League, which did well in terms of the tournament format, mainly because of the prize pool. A second season was planned, but the organizer disappeared. (Coincidence? I don't think so :D)
It's silly to compare this to football, because in football, teams get paid and play mostly for the audience, who need regular matches of their team.
Well, people won't be the same. If a match is played every 2-3 weeks, then to get to the same opponent, it will take approximately 2 to 4 months (depending on the number of people). And there is rotation; if, for example, you make not 1, but 2 lower leagues, then you can shuffle the participants, and there will be almost no repetitions. And in the "highest league," people are constantly playing against each other in matches and tournaments anyway. They can combine them by agreement and if they want.=Lizard=
For this to work, even theoretically, there need to be entry fees from the participants, let's say, into a League Fund. Otherwise, half of the players will definitely drop out and not show up, and all these leagues will quickly turn into a mess.
I, for example, don't want to make contributions and the like. The question is not about greed (although I admit, I am greedy), but about the fact that I'm too lazy to deal with setting up a card, a separate account for money for the internet (yes, I don't buy anything on the internet, I prefer cash). And money is not a motivation for me in this case; I can earn more in a day than the prize fund of some tournaments. My motivation is the pleasure of the game and victories (and, of course, the birds in my signature).
In general, how can we start? Make a registration, then divide into groups of X people (X will be determined later based on the number of those who want to participate), then hold a group stage, and based on its results, create leagues. For example, 128 people registered for the tournament. 8 groups of 16 are made. They play according to the same rules as in the leagues later. Then the top two places from each group go to the highest league of 16, four go to the two first leagues, and the rest are mixed into the lower ones. At the end of each season, two (or four) from the highest league are relegated to the first, and accordingly, the first (or the first two) move up to the highest, and the rest in the first are shuffled. The same goes for the lower ones; for example, 5 from the first are relegated to the lower one, and 2 move up to the first. The question is, of course, what to do with people who say, "I can't play, please remove me." But this can also be solved simply by assigning wins over everyone who is removed. Something like that.
You can also add cool things that would resemble "home-away games." For example, "home game" - play with any color you want on any template you want. And with the ability to adjust clearly unwritten rules (like banning the Library or Obelisk).
Мой любимьій размер - тройка. Будь то конса, утопа или сиськи ICQ:5676388
It's silly to compare this to football, because in football, teams receive salaries and play mostly for the audience, who need regular matches of their team.
A streamer tournament would be perfect for us.
Armageddets
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I also support this idea of a league. I've been considering it myself for quite some time. I could even try to organize and cover a tournament – if I had a little more free time. But this kind of idea definitely requires more than one person, in my opinion. When I organize tournaments on my own, it doesn't even allow me to get a proper night's sleep.
Regarding entry fees, yes, that would serve as both motivation and contribute to the tournament's prize pool. And if needed, it could also be used to support the organizers so they can continue doing this. But if we create restreamed broadcasts from both sides for each game and provide full coverage of the tournament, we'll attract sponsors among the viewers, and that's how we'll get the money without even having to charge the players. But we need to involve more platforms (not just GoodGame and Twitch). It's great that more people are appearing on YouTube, where the audience is many times larger worldwide; we just need to win them over. If the tournament is popular and significant, it will also serve as motivation to maintain a good reputation in the eyes of the viewers.
For players in the lower ranks, the motivation will be to avoid being eliminated. For the top players, it will be the prize money or the opportunity to participate in an important tournament. We could even create divisions based on countries or regions, where the top players are mixed in inter-league tournaments like the Champions League and Europa League. Or we could make it so that the points earned by all players (including those in the middle of the table) affect something. For example, after the first round, we could divide the league into two halves and then distribute the places between them, as is done in some countries in football.
In general, a lot depends on the organization of the tournament and its hosts. You can find an approach to everyone, make them interested, motivate them, and sometimes you even have to work as a psychologist with some of them. In any case, I will be happy if something like this appears on a permanent basis.
Next year, if nothing gets in the way, I want to create a team tournament, but with an unusual format for the teams themselves. A league would be a good fit for the tournament format. But it's too early to talk about it. Time will tell...
