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"Logic, therefore logic. Let's consider the situation. A soul floats around the Earth. Since it is not in our plane, it cannot change anything here."
STOP! If we are in a three-dimensional space, can we not do anything with a two-dimensional one? Interesting statement :)
In reality, we have a much wider range of possibilities than those who live in a two-dimensional world. Take a sheet of paper and poke it with your finger! You have a unique ability to create holes in two-dimensional matter :)
Mistake! A sheet of paper is a three-dimensional object. This is easily proven by stacking several dozen of these sheets. If they were two-dimensional, the stack of sheets would be as flat as one.
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"Once upon a time, there was matter on Earth."
With your permission, I will start differently:
"Once upon a time, in a certain kingdom..."
And to be precise, it's time to state:
1) Atheists are no more than religious believers (with their own beliefs, of course, not science), as they do not rely on facts, although they try to prove to the whole world that science is on their side.
But isn't science saying: "Prove it, and I'll believe"? If I am proven that a person has a soul, that there is heaven and hell, I will believe it. And science is on the side of atheists, because atheists try to find a non-divine explanation for everything, while believers seek a divine, unproven explanation.
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"Situation 2. Once upon a time, there was matter on Earth. It did not think, but it reacted to certain events. What prevents a spirit from entering such matter (for non-atheists), or why can this organism not become more complex and react differently to stimuli, with variations, and eventually become a human (for atheists)?"
For a spirit to enter matter? What came first? The spirit or the matter? :)
For organisms to evolve? You must be very fond of science fiction! (I love it too). Dead matter, namely stones, hydrogen, and helium, can evolve! The second law of thermodynamics:
"Nothing is created from nothing. Everything tends towards chaos."
That is, these elements are inclined only to chaos and further self-destruction! Gentlemen, I didn't invent science.
After your tales, I re-examined my view of the tale of the Frog Princess. Can a frog turn into a prince? No, you say. But if it is a VERY_VERY LONG PROCESS....you are hypnotized. If millions and billions of years pass...you say like a zombie: "Maybe it can. Anything can happen in such a time."
I meant living matter. And yes, I do enjoy science fiction :)
I was sincerely amused by the post about the chicken and the egg, where it was written that the egg came from a reptile. But no dog has ever given birth to a cat, and NEVER will. Because the Creator invented DNA, the Creator created the world, and He KNEW how to do it. Therefore, a dog will always be a dog, a monkey a monkey, and a human a human.
But don't bring up the example of the similarity between humans and monkeys at the genetic and chemical level. A watermelon is 99% the same in composition as a cloud. And that's a fact. I had a table of such similarities somewhere, and there are hundreds of them! Absolutely different bodies and creatures consist of 90-99% of the same material!
The first egg was indeed laid by a reptile, that's a fact, and that's paleontology. I don't know who laid the first egg from which a chick hatched, but that's far from the example of a cat and a dog.
Thus, by concretizing the philosophical themes of this forum, I find three directions:
1) Religious, with slight differences.
2) Classical atheistic.
3) Their own atheistic systems, the likes of which I have not encountered before.
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