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Which came first: matter or spirit?

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This has turned into a somewhat nonsensical debate. For Ganymede, for example, a spirit is code. For Berserk, it's God, and in principle, also the souls of people and, possibly, angels/demons (correct me if I'm wrong!). For me, a spirit is a kind of transcendent entity that gives a person the ability to choose between good and evil... And at the same time, since the topic is formulated as "What came first: matter or spirit?", for me (within the context of this topic), spirit is equated with everything immaterial - for example, the meaning of a text, the laws of physics, etc.

Berserk's example about the experiment to create life is correct - Oparin's experiment is indeed not very convincing; but he clearly messed up with mutations. We are all mutants to some extent; in each of us, the genetic code of our parents has been greatly changed. If all mutations were harmful, then over the course of its existence, humanity would have degraded to an appalling degree.
Something also needs to be said about the example with paper and a soul from another plane - dear Berserk, paper exists in three dimensions; it's just very thin; but, nevertheless, I fully support this metaphor with dimensions!
Ganymede, I must honestly admit that after reading your "main" text (where the definitions of soul and body were given), I felt as if someone was deliberately pulling the rug out from under me... The definition of some concepts, which are vague in themselves, is given through even more vague concepts. Therefore, I cannot be sure that I interpreted the text correctly, and I ask you to somehow rephrase the definition of matter. But at the same time, I realized that questions about physics, etc., are essentially off-topic, as they relate not to the spirit, but to the ideal. I withdraw the questions
С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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