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Which came first: matter or spirit?

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2Silvanis

Belief in one's own existence is a delusion of an overactive imagination. If a person perceives the world as a personality, then it is rational and objective, unless they are insane. How can one believe in a chair, for example, if one perceives it as existing in reality? The laws of the world are very clear if they are classified rationally. Where the "theater of the absurd" begins, philosophy ends.

2Nowizard

Everything we see is what we know. The rest are various manifestations of private experience, multiplied, interpreted, and accepted on faith by some part of humanity. To present this as truth is, at the very least, unwise and contradicts common sense. The world is given to us "in sensations," and nothing more, nothing less. Trying to assert belief is meaningless because belief, by its very nature, has no relation to reality and, therefore, cannot be asserted. And in your reasoning, there is precisely an assertion of what happens to souls. But how can we know? We are not given this knowledge, so we don't need it.
By the way, I express my point of view by talking about the inseparability of spirit and matter and the subservient role of the spirit in relation to matter. But this can, at least, be proven by the example of humans, animals, plants, even sacrificial stones, icons, and in general ritual objects, houses, apartments, and dwellings of animals and birds, which also "acquire" their own spirit (however paradoxical it may seem), which proves the subservient role of the spirit in principle, as it follows the needs of matter. And in this lies God's love for his creation. As for the life of the spirit outside of matter, this is an absolutely unknown side to us, and it is pointless to discuss it – it is like beating the air with your hands.
All religious interpretations on this subject are merely opinions, assumptions, and interpretations based on faith, not on knowledge.
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