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to Lider1, are you playing?

Yes, sometimes.

if yes + you want to play with Grail - can't find someone who agrees?, if not, why would one non-player convince another non-player not to play :D why? :D

That's not the point. The point is: What is the meaning of the ban?

Is it because of the fear that someone, 1 out of 1000, will hack the map and see where it is located?

Pillars are generated, but you can't use their main bonus - this clearly impoverishes the game. Why? and what is all this for?

Some suggest removing them altogether. To compensate for the value. And even that option is better (in my opinion) than what we have now.
And now, in its current state, is this pure SoD? No. A double ban. You can't have the Grail, and you can't replace it with something useful. And why can't you? because it deviates from the ideology of pure SoD :D.
But banning the Grail is definitely pure SoD. And it doesn't contradict anything :D

A partial ban only in the Conflux and Tower is better than a complete ban.
And it increases the variability of the game.

At least start with that.

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I think it's worth starting with templates, not with castles. The fewer zones on the map and the smaller the map itself, the easier it is to find the Grail.

You're right. I didn't think about that at first.
For testing, it would be good to test this on HL+U templates.
And see if it's as scary as they say.

and why should the Tower and Conflux be restricted? What if I don't have any other cities?

Because the cartographer and all the magic will give an incredible advantage over the opponent. Of course, you can find a lot of things on Jebus. As someone, I don't remember who, said that you can arrange the word "happiness" with teapots.
And Pandora is not that rare either.

But firstly: it's not just about Jebus.
And secondly: it's better to do everything gradually.

The Tower is already not a strong castle, let it have this advantage. You can also consider this option: in the case of installing the Grail in the Tower, the player must inform the opponent about this on the same day, and from that moment on, the cartographer can be used. (it's a bit complicated, but fixing the weak Tower is not a good idea)

It seems a bit convoluted.
And it changes the gameplay a lot.
Besides, there is a possibility that someone will build it purely in a secondary city. But that's not the same as a starting city. Should we focus on the starting city?
I still think that this should be introduced gradually.
And the shorter and clearer the wording, the better.

The Grail in the Conflux, in turn, is an excellent answer to the constant struggles with finding control.

The Grail in the Conflux is 80% of the way to immediately winning the game. Synonym for the word "IMBA".

In general, I look at the Grail as a way to add variety to the game. So, the opponent is putting pressure on you, and you dig up the Grail and place it, even in a swamp, stats increase by 10, and there is a chance to fight, especially with shackles, etc. But what if I don't have a swamp, but I have a Tower and a Conflux? And again, no variety.

I haven't watched your games, but judging by the fact that the condition constantly repeats 2 cities, and there are no other cities - you like to play Jebus :D

But digging it up with 111 - I'm against it. The fewer zones, the higher the probability that the Grail will be in your starting zone. In the first week, there are usually more free moves, but in the third or fourth week, the chains are stretched, and all the heroes are needed. That is, when you repel a couple of obelisks and realize that the Grail is in your zone, it is not difficult to dig it up in the first week. On HL+U, the probability is lower, but it remains. And the Grail, dug up in the first week, will simply win the game.

Firstly, even in the first week, if you are busy digging, it is not a fact that you will be able to dig it up quickly.
Secondly, you will suffer a colossal setback in development. And if someone visits you, the story with the Capitol Builders will repeat itself :D. This is a very big risk. And a lot of trouble.

But the fact that it will bring at least a small, but some variety to the game. That's for sure.