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Snooppy
Yes, we are probably adults and we fully understand that. But in this case, psychology interferes with this stereotype. In my opinion, a member of the "Hive" will never come to an agreement with a "Tower", because they know each other's nature, just like a thief will not come to an agreement with another thief for the same reason. They can talk on the phone every day, but that doesn't mean they will agree on something. Everyone has their own plans and ambitions. They can quite easily use each other to achieve their goals, but it is unlikely that they will be able to come to an agreement and create a grand scheme. For this, they need to form a team, and for this, there must be trust between them. But what kind of trust can there be in this pair? It is enough for one of them to trust the other, and the game will be over.

And if they do come to an agreement, how could such a "megamind" allow the Maidan to happen? Or is this also part of a grand plan? Then what awaits us next? A forceful solution? You yourself deny such a possibility. What other options are there?
Negotiating and coming to an agreement are two very different things. I meant that they communicate behind the scenes, and not that they see each other once or twice a year. It is precisely because our Slavic people have very little experience and skill in keeping agreements, especially in politics, and the presidents are no exception, that this is happening. Yes, no one can come to an agreement with us; he has gone too far and is already slightly "overplaying," but who said that Putin is not the same? Maybe even worse.

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Vatya
I'm not particularly upset, I'm just wondering why revolutions happen so often? 5 years of chaos and then 3 years to return to the previous level - this is at least a step back... especially since the elections are in a year, so show your will there...
This is not frequent at all; history has examples of revolutions lasting 100 years. And here, it's all only 5 or 10 or even 20. This is a quite logical period for the formation of an immature opinion and the implementation of the public will. And the consequences will always be there, and who said that it would be better without the Maidan? In 2010, as a result of a sharp, long-term political struggle, the Party of Regions finally took the upper hand, but the people did not come out in order not to harm and not make things even worse than they were. What do we have as a result - we see it.
Vatya
Again, a simple example, under Yulia, everyone was outraged at customs. There was no way to pay bribes, they were constantly watching, and as a result, even the expiration dates of products with a short shelf life were reduced "legally." And trucks stood for weeks...
This is just a banal redistribution of customs (which also happened this year, by the way, and even under Robin Hood), influence, and flows, again, it does not happen by itself, but is influenced by the world economy; it is also impossible to smuggle forever. The question is where and in what volume does all this go.
Vatya
In the next 20-30 years, no one will change the issue of bribery. As they paid bribes under Yanukovych, so we will pay bribes under any government, the question is only in the prices. But bribery through laws can be brought to the point of absurdity, simply by increasing the terms for making decisions. That is, in theory, everything is beautiful, everything is democratic, but the decision-making period is increased from 3 months to a year.
With this paradigm, we are definitely doomed. And not for 20-30 years, but forever. I am amazed by people with such judgments, as if we are talking about some random guys passing by the windows or flashing on the screen. Start with yourself, finally, start changing yourself, your children, influence those around you, and don't blame someone else. Our society is you and me, and only you and I are to blame for the fact that it is this way, only you and I have done absolutely nothing to change anything, and the longer we whine about fate, the less likely it is that anything will change.
Everyone pays bribes, and I pay, oh dear, the government is to blame. And who is this government? These are the same people as you, who yesterday were ordinary citizens, tearing their throats out at the government, but if they come to power, they fall silent and pocket the money. And how can you refuse if they pay? We ourselves are suckers, and then we get indignant about how badly everything is arranged. This is in our blood; it is difficult to fight, but if we don't even start, then everything is lost.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.

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