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Leolopus
You are labeling things again and turning everything upside down. Everything he wrote about the people you're talking about is: "Fine, religion. If someone wants to believe in a Jewish alien, let them keep believing. With esotericism, however, the situation is completely different... Everything else in his article can be expressed by a quote from the article itself - "Esotericism is humiliating for an enlightened, sane person".. But what I specifically agree with is:
1. "Moreover, they criminally attempt to justify their nonsense with scientific methodology: thousands of films can be found on the internet allegedly proving the existence of the soul, chakras, subtle bodies, and other rubbish - by the way, you are doing the same thing;
2. "How can a 21st-century person seriously believe that their life depends on the name they were given, or on a distant planet that began to influence them from the moment they learned about it? Wear amulets, believing that they attract mythical energy? Or sit in a special pose to connect with higher spheres?";
3. "How is it even possible to think that some shaman-gurus who lived in an antediluvian era could know more about the world and man than modern scientists, who have split the atom and decoded the human genome?";
4. "We've come to this. The country that sent the first man into space is sliding back into a new Middle Ages.";
5. "Esotericism is a surrogate spirituality. When esoterics say they are spiritually developed, I want to answer: 'No, you are simply mentally ill'."
6. "Any person with even one wrinkle in their brain understands: believing that the position of planets in the sky or lines on the palm affect people's fate is an admission of one's own ignorance. Using esoteric nonsense in one's life is as stupid and shameful as convincing an adult that Father Frost exists or that children appear because storks bring them."
7. "Will these 'spiritual' people build starships? Invent a cure for cancer? Create masterpieces of art? Obviously not. Because under their skull boxes, instead of brains, there is a rotting sludge bubbling in which words like 'aura', 'astral', 'chakras', 'karma', 'soul', 'spirituality' float like sh..". - I agree it was said harshly, but again, not about the grandmother in church.

You are such a good boy!
You accuse me of labeling, while you yourself have already covered me entirely with mindless, baseless labels.

Everything you write shows that you simply do not understand what esotericism is and what religion is - true religion.

True religion is the eternal debt of the soul, of a living being, of a human before God. And every religion has both an exoteric part and an esoteric part.

One cannot oppose Esotericism and Religion - it is simply incorrect. Because Esotericism consists of deeper knowledge within any religion.

In his article, while mocking and dragging esotericism through the mud - perhaps not understanding it himself, or perhaps understanding it perfectly well while dragging it through the mud - he drags the esoteric part of the knowledge of Christianity, Islam, the Vedas, and Buddhism through the mud. It's possible the person simply doesn't understand what he is writing about. Or perhaps he is working on commission.

1) Here he effectively claims that there is no soul. While all cultures and religions of the world speak of its existence - essentially, here he discredits and drags through the mud all world religions and, consequently, the people who profess these religions. But for some reason, he considers himself a priori better than all those he writes about!

And following the logic of Marmot and yours - under no circumstances can anything be said to him, or can he be stopped. That is, he has the right to behave like a pig. And the people he drags through the mud have no right to object.

Violence, naturally, must never be used to achieve one's own selfish goals, but this is a completely different situation. If a person does not understand that they cannot behave this way - how do you explain it to them? If a child doesn't obey you, what do you do? Do you punish them? Well, that' same "inhumane", isn't it!?

If he only insulted me - personally me, it could be endured, but if he starts calling people dear to me stupid—friends, mother, father—then my deep conviction is that it is my duty to protect the people dear to me.

This journalist claims that the soul, chakras, karma, and the subtle body are all rubbish and own nonsense - which speaks to his complete ignorance on this matter.

At the same time, he provides no proof for his words. He simply, like you, mindlessly applies labels and clichés (this is nonsense, this is rubbish, this is garbage) - only because it does not correspond to his beliefs. And where is the proof that it is rubbish? I ask you the same: where is the proof that all this is nonsense?

If you, like him, believe and claim that there is no soul, subtle body, law of karma, or chakra system (the Kirlian device clearly shows the presence of a chakra system in a person's subtle body) - be so kind as to provide at least some arguments or evidence in favor of this. Otherwise, there is no possibility of having a constructive dialogue with you. Because all your labels are not supported by a single argument. You simply stupidly call nonsense that which does not fit into your understanding, while providing no proof whatsoever. You have a very convenient position.

2) Here this "journalist," just like you, stupidly and without proof denies everything that doesn't fit in his head or his understanding.

Where is even one piece of evidence for what he claims in point 2? Correct—just as with you and him, there is none!!!

3) Here again he makes mindless and baseless assertions that people in the past were stupid, uneducated - ignorant, while modern scientists are the very peak of human evolution.

Yet Vedic literature, specifically "Vimanika Shastra" written more than 5000 years ago, describes flying machines so perfect that modern science could only dream of them.

The father of modern rocket technology, Wernher von Braun, did not invent or create his V1 and V2 rockets - he took them from "Vimanika Shastra".

The city of Mohenjo-daro was destroyed by atomic weapons more than 5000 years ago. If people in the past were so antediluvian, where did they get atomic weapons?

Ayurveda describes how medics of the past performed open-brain surgeries to remove cancerous tumors with subsequent regrowth of skull bone and skin. Such operations cannot be done even by modern medicine.

He calls himself and modern scientists geniuses, while for some reason groundlessly belittling people of the past, implicitly calling them dimwits. But everyone thinks of others as they are themselves.

This person simply has a damaged sense of self-worth; that is why he tries to assert himself by humiliating and insulting other people. But this is nothing other than the psychology of a slave and a coward.

And I believe that in the past, there lived people who were at least no less intelligent.

Where is even one piece of evidence that people in the past could not know more than we know now? Of course, it depends on which past we are talking about. More than 5000 years ago, civilizations existed that were far more advanced both spiritually and technically. And excavations of ancient cities, such as Mohenjo-daro, although indirectly, still confirm this. This city was destroyed by nuclear weapons - meaning they already existed then. And if the civilizations of the past had nuclear weapons, it means they were also very advanced in other areas of life and activity; at the very least, they were not inferior to our civilization.

4) Here he calls esotericism a Middle Age! But esoteric knowledge is only part of some religion.
And have the laws of God or the laws of nature changed since then?

In the Mahabharata and Ramayana, it is described that 5000 years ago people flew into space on vimanas without any problems at all. But we naturally do not believe this. Otherwise, we would have to admit that civilizations of the past were even more advanced technically than our modern civilization. And that is a blow to the ego. We want to think that it is specifically we who are the most technically developed civilization - because that flatters our vanity and brings us a sense of satisfaction.

5) Esotericism is simply deeper knowledge in any religion, in any science. He simply does not know the definition of the words.

Let people engage in esotericism - what have they done to him? Why does he bark at them like a mad dog off its chain?

Make a fool pray to God and he'll crack his forehead! Any idea, even the most reasonable and correct one, can be distorted to the point of madness.

That is the reason why some people burn themselves alive (committing suicide), while others go underground, walling themselves in with children in unsanitary conditions. It's not about religion or esotericism - but a wrong understanding of both. No religion and its deeper part of knowledge - esotericism - gives a person such advice.

Of course, the word "esotericism" can be understood in another sense.

6) Here again he mindlessly and without proof claims that astrology is nonsense and own rubbish. He claims that planets cannot influence human life - thereby admitting his own ignorance.

If we don't know some laws or patterns, it doesn't mean those laws and patterns don't exist!

Has anyone ever seen a magnetic field?! No? Does that mean it doesn't exist? Magnets repel each other - but nothing is visible.

Any person can be convinced that planets very much influence our lives through very simple examples.

- ) I think no one will argue that sunlight coming from the sun strongly affects everything that happens on earth; without it, there would be no plants or forests, and consequently no food or air.

- ) It is also a well-known fact that the moon affects tides - which in turn affects people's well-being.

- ) Changes in solar activity also affect blood pressure and general human well-being.

- ) Also, planets influence people in other ways - all of this is described in the science of astrology.

He, like me and most people, is not qualified in astrology; he doesn't understand a damn thing about it, just as we don't - but at the same time, he draws very strange conclusions that astrology is nonsense.
Where is the proof that it is nonsense?

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Will these "spiritual" people build starships? Invent a cure for cancer? Create masterpieces of art? Obviously not.


7) Here he lumps together people practicing esotericism and simply religious people (because any religious person is convinced that there is a soul, that there are laws of God, specifically the law of karma), whereas before he claimed that all who believe in the existence of the soul and the laws of God are lost idiots with same own brains instead of matter, and moreover suggests freezing all religious people to death.

(The law of karma is a specific instance of the laws of God, which more simply than anything else explains why we suffer, why some are lucky and happy while others are not, why some are rich and others poor).

7.1) Starship? In a section of the Vedas such as "Vimanika Shastra," all existing flying machines are described. And based on the knowledge of a sage - a holy person - one can indeed build a spaceship.

7.2) Masterpieces? As a rule, all masterpieces of music, painting, and literary works were created specifically by deeply religious people. And this is not a stone in the garden of atheists. These are historical facts, which can be verified by reading the biographies of Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Goethe, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc.

7.3) Cancer? Ayurveda long ago described how to defeat cancer; cancer is the result of grievances of varying depths. A grievance that has reached the level of self-hatred is a benign tumor. A grievance that has reached the level of hatred toward another person is a malignant tumor. Forgiveness is the cure for cancer.

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And he speaks as if modern medicine has already defeated cancer?!
Is that so?

There are entire scientific studies on how life lines on the hands and feet of people change depending on what kind of lifestyle they lead.

A red thread running through all his messages is that he is undoubtedly the smartest and a priori better than all those whom he mindlessly and without proof insults and belittles.

Probably in childhood he was bullied, not cared for, not loved; that's why he grew up as bitter as a dog toward the whole world. For the most part, he should be pitied. Because he is a deeply unhappy person. Can a happy person insult, humiliate, and wish death to people so bitterly - people who have personally done nothing to him, simply based on the fact that they have different ideas? And who are not hostile toward him.

Moreover, all his insults and assertions are baseless!
In his entire article, I didn't see a single constructive argument in favor of what he says. Only malice, insults, and groundless accusations and assertions.
Leolopus

Everything would have been fine if every person chose their own path and carried their own cross; the problem is that many are pushed to walk someone else's path and carry someone else's cross—these "preachers" are what we are talking about.

Alone? And what about mom and dad who carried their cross for you, me, us?
What about the teachers who taught us patiently in school?

So many people help us carry our life's cross through life?!

There is no such thing as "alone"! Only a proud and ungrateful person speaks this way.

Historical-Allegory:
"One night, a man had a dream.
He dreamed that he was walking along the seashore,
Strolling, and God was walking beside him, while images from his life flashed across the sky.
And in each such image from the sky, he saw two pairs of footprints walking side by side.
One pair was his, and the second was God's.
And the man looked back at his tracks and noticed that many times there was only one pair of footprints.
And he also noticed that specifically in the most unhappy and sad images of his life, there was only one pair of footprints.
The man turned to God and asked:
- Oh God, you said that if I decided to walk your way, you would walk with me throughout the entire journey, but in the hardest moments of my life, there are tracks of only one pair of feet.
And I do not understand why, when I needed you most, you left me?
And God answered him:
- Oh my son, I love you and will never leave you.
And those moments when you suffered so much, when you see only one pair of footprints
THOSE WERE NOT YOUR FOOTPRINTS
THOSE WERE MY FOOTPRINTS, WHEN I CARRIED YOU IN MY ARMS."
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As a rule, people become atheists (become disillusioned with life) because of some very difficult life situations, shocks, or failures. For example, due to the death of a loved one.

Do you think you chose your own life's cross? Do you think society, media, television - the people you have communicated and communicate with - had no influence on your choice? Whether for better or worse.

And are you sure that you are now carrying your own cross? And not one that was imposed on you by the media, the godless Soviet "culture" during which almost everyone was convinced that there is and cannot be any God, and those who were not convinced were rotted in camps. You speak as if all religious people are confused people carrying someone else's cross. And all atheists undoubtedly chose the right path and carry their own godless right cross.

You will of course say that you chose this path, this cross yourself! But do you not allow for the thought that hundreds of factors about which you, I, we don't even know or suspect could have influenced your, my, our choice?!

And how in your opinion does one determine their own cross in life?

Please tell me, what is your cross? What meaning do you see in your life? And what do you think will happen to you after death? And what is worth doing in life and what is not?
leolopus

Then some burn themselves alive together with their children, others, again, drag their children into dugouts they've own holes and start dying there from unsanitary conditions and diseases, thirds brainwash young girls, and then put suicide belts on them and send them to die, instead of them (the girls) giving birth to and raising children; one could provide a heap more examples.

And does this not happen to ordinary people living in the city? Can't they die from unsanitary conditions or fire? And those young girls who simply weren't raised by parents in ordinary city families and grew up loose, as a result of which they became prostitutes—how can they be helped? They are not part of any sects; they live an ordinary simple city life, but for some reason the same things happen to them!

Every day on the planet, tens of millions of people die.
But at the same time, everyone thinks: well, I certainly won't die tomorrow!
And therefore every day we live for empty pleasures and whims.
And we don't think about what will happen to us after death?
This is a very interesting question—what happens to us after death?
The end? Then what are all the struggles and efforts for? To feed the worms?


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Make a fool pray to God and he'll crack his forehead! Any idea, even the most reasonable and correct one, can be distorted to the point of madness.

That is the reason why some people burn themselves alive (committing suicide), while others go underground, walling themselves in with children in unsanitary conditions. Girls falling under the influence of sects as ex

It's not about religion or esotericism - but a wrong understanding of both. No religion and its deeper part of knowledge - esotericism - gives a person such advice.

Of course, the word "esotericism" can be understood in another sense.
But then one must first agree on terminology. And only then make some statements of a rude, insulting nature.

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If someone insults me personally, I am ready to endure that (which I do here endlessly), but if someone mindlessly and without proof insults people dear to me—for example, mother, father, people whose books improved my relationship with my wife—I will not endure it; I will fight to the end. And this is my deep conviction. To God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's. If a person behaves rudely, let them be ready to answer for their words. But on the internet, everyone is very brave.
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
"Неизвестная история человечества. Запрещенная археология (с иллюстрациями), Майкл Кремо, Ричард Томпсон,479с,1.46 Мб.
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