as an expert, won't you enlighten me (without sarcasm), are they actually Ukrainian or not?
Very provocative post. I would say it's a "troll post." Read this: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%BE
If you follow this:
Well, how else can you say it, if, in fact, now all are Russians.
Then there are none of those. Because all are Russians.
it's a pity that the "hachi" don't have even one more or less decent boxer, even at the European level.
in fact:
not even one more or less decent boxer, even at the European level
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There are "hachi" boxers who are world champions and promising talents, not just European ones.
Again, why don't you take into account the Klitschko brothers, they grew up and became who they are in the USSR, all the 30+ year olds who have a direct connection to it.
The USSR is not Russia. It is a union of countries. And if they lived in the USSR, did that make them Russian? Or do they become Russian when it's convenient to say they are Russian? Stop with your chauvinism. They became who they are thanks to Fritz Zdunek and Emanuel Steward.
Lider1,
Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are all Slavs. The Caucasus is also not a single nation.
For example, I don't consider Armenians, who are strong in boxing, to be "hachi," at least because they are Orthodox.
Again, you're dodging the issue. We're talking about "hachi" who dominate in boxing. And your desire not to acknowledge them as "hachi" because of their religion is irrelevant.
and before the collapse of the USSR, how many Ukrainians, Belarusians, and so on lived and live in our country, who now have a "Russian" stamp in their passport.
The Klitschko brothers, for example, were born in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan.
If it weren't for the "hachi" who have a Russian passport, then purely Russian boxers would be in an even deeper mess than they are now. Although, this is not about representing the country on the world stage, but about individuals. So, it's better to be glad that the "hachi" have a Russian stamp in their passport. You can quietly be proud and enjoy the euphoria of chauvinism. But be careful, or you might fail by praising a Russian who turns out to be a "hachi" not on paper, but in reality.
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In general, don't write nonsense anymore, because it's hard to respond to it. There are "hachi" boxers who are professionals at the world level, not just "at least one European champion." And there aren't that many Russian boxers to be proud of. I don't take amateur boxing into account and don't consider it.
That's all from me.
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того