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Mizrael
Ariputra, stop presenting your perception of reality as facts.

I presented my perception as fact only once: when I first finished the turn in single player and then loaded—Well, that's how I understood the situation; that's what I usually do when given an auto-save, and I don't mind if the opponent finishes in single player if I give an auto. Plus, I offered you to load again and finish over—you refused.

I also gave you your one auto without hesitation, and even offered for you to finish in single player if you wanted.

Plus, if you're giving me an auto, it means you trust me, right? Then what difference does it make if you trust me to finish in single player and then load, or load first and only then finish?

If I had any desire to deceive you, I could have done so equally well in either case.

Mizrael

How it was from my side: didn't split the ones, asked for an auto, got a refusal, expressed same-old about the flexibility of the opponent's auto-save system, said go ahead\let's continue. You decided to load after all,

You are right—the unwillingness to give you an auto even before FB, while I asked for one first myself—looks bad; and that is a manifestation of my hypocrisy, my double standards, my greed for victory—fact.

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Mizrael (20:24:43 3/10/2012)
damn didn't have time to position
Mizrael (20:24:55 3/10/2012)
will you let me load?
255445640@qip.ru (20:25:01 3/10/2012)
well it's already the final )
255445640@qip.ru (20:25:07 3/10/2012)
the outcome depends on this
Mizrael (20:25:09 3/10/2012)
that's the whole point
Mizrael (20:25:23 3/10/2012)
clear, double standards policy
Mizrael (20:25:30 3/10/2012)
go ahead
255445640@qip.ru (20:25:30 3/10/2012)
what standards )
255445640@qip.ru (20:25:46 3/10/2012)
i gave you one res when you didn't have time to finish
255445640@qip.ru (20:25:53 3/10/2012)
1-1 ^^
255445640@qip.ru (20:26:19 3/10/2012)
if it were somewhere in the middle of the game then it'd be understandable but
255445640@qip.ru (20:26:29 3/10/2012)
here every little thing can decide the outcome
Mizrael (20:26:44 3/10/2012)
i stepped away from the computer then
Mizrael (20:26:54 3/10/2012)
and i wasn't at it for a quarter of an hour
Mizrael (20:26:57 3/10/2012)
well yeah not the point
255445640@qip.ru (20:27:27 3/10/2012)
fine load
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But still, in 2.5 minutes, I managed to overcome my hypocrisy. Inside "all this time" there was a struggle: not give you the auto (acting naturally poorly considering I asked for it first) and win, or give it and lose. Effectively, you offered me to risk victory.

And you didn't answer anything in ICQ at all to the "offer" of a draw.
Your hypocrisy crushed you. But who am I to judge; after all, it is your right and I don't condemn you for it, I was just curious how you would act in this situation given the circumstances.
Mizrael

and you convince everyone here that you were forced, why lie and distort facts?

I am not lying or distorting facts.
Such was my internal state: that one way or another I was forced, when I didn't want to do it (that the unwillingness to give an auto even considering the circumstances was a manifestation of hypocrisy—fact, hard to argue with that).

But I just found it truly strange that such an old-school Top player like you asks for an auto right before FB. If you had asked for a 2nd or 3rd auto in the middle, during the game, I would have given it to you without hesitation.
Mizrael

Generally didn't want to write more on this topic, but I just hate it when people invent your actions for you and then claim that you did exactly that. Ariputra is clearly one of those; it showed even when he asked for a restart: I give the auto without any questions, then the dialogue
Not only is the sequence of actions directly opposite to what I proposed, but it turns out I said it like that... Well, these are just sketches of a portrait.

What other action did I invent for you—besides the fact that: first finished in single player and then loaded? Moreover, I presented my words as yours only in ICQ and even then because that's how I understood them.
You said: "save it, we'll load and you finish". I understood differently; happy that you were giving me an auto, I finished on autopilot and only then loaded.
But overall, both then and now, I see no problem with this. I did this several times with Sevan_80, in a game with Shock13 we both finished in single player, and the exact same situation happened with many others, and no one had any complaints about it.
Mizrael

Now regarding the logic of actions before the finale, so that nothing else is invented for me: I saw the miner arrive, of course; giving up the only Castle on the map with Arkhangels is equivalent to surrendering (opponent has a pack of angels), meaning it must be defended. Here came a choice of how to fight in the finale: with a level 5 hat but ridiculous stats, or in a helmet +6 to all but without level 5 spells. Adelaide is perfectly leveled for combat: off, armor, shooting, has mass earth and fire, but without combat stats there's little use from any of it. Impl is good, but if there's a cloak of denial there, the hat becomes just an ornament on the head. On top of everything, the army wasn't fully bought, and there's no money; all the one-time resources in the area were eaten long ago. After long deliberation, I decided to do this: give Brissa the hat and the pouch, reach the nearest nagash bank in 2 jumps (only she had expert air), cash it out, TP with her wherever it takes her, Vokial immediately jumps there (leveled specifically for TP to move meat between castles), takes the hat and pouch, portals them all to Adelaide, and then based on the money obtained, calculate how much meat can be bought and finally decide how to fight: with level 5 or stats. By the time I thought everything through and planned the chain of actions, the timer had already passed half a turn; if I miscalculated the distance to the nagash bank and Brissa doesn't manage to TP, remaining without moves, there will be nothing at all to defend the castle with—neither magic nor pouch. Quickly corrected the plan: give Brissa the hat entirely, give 300+ bones filled by Vokial and kill the nagash bank without returning, buy whatever is possible with the money, finish off with resource trade—the last line of defense, nothing is too precious, and put Adelaide on defense in a maximum shooting build with stats. After forming the final plan, the timer showed 2 minutes, jumped with Brissa, the nagash bank was small as luck would have it, little money. Collected the pouch, put Adelaide in the castle, and while buying archers, the timer did its dirty work. Essentially, how the turn went can be seen in the stream recording; what could be unclear or suspicious there—idk, I just didn't have time to put on the cuirass, which I later regretted in the chat with viewers, but it turned out that it was useless.

With expert vision, you saw exactly how much and what I had. And if you decided to fight with an army, changing your level 5 hat for a helmet+6all for this purpose, why then didn't you buy almost all the fanatics, return the 7 horses you took to the stable and upgrade them, take skeletons from Brissa, who could have returned and just in case I don't have any orb or cloak, return the level 5 hat; with selling resources and the nagash bank all this could be done. But you neither bought the army nor returned the hat. And in the second 10 minutes, you didn't even manage to put on the cuirass? How could you not put it on (1 second) in 10 minutes while repeating a turn when magic is your main argument?

One impl there immediately killed 11 angels (if cloak instead of orb, then 760 lightning damage with cuirass), plus 100 earth elementals for 20 mana having 408—and you gave up this for a rather mediocre increase in stats and a weak army—against my stats (which moreover decreased from 30 21 to 19 16, which you saw perfectly) and the army you knew. And still, you traded magic for an army and stats that were mediocre compared to mine. If you had kept the impl and cuirass and I didn't have an orb or cloak, I would have had no chance at all.
But not knowing exactly if I have an orb, a cloak or not, you deprived yourself even of the theoretical possibility of using the impl and summoning elementals.


And in general, why risk so much by giving Brissa the hat to take the nagash bank, risking then not returning it? — when FB is right there, for the sake of even a maximum nagash bank, the money from which you didn't even spend fully, — depriving yourself thereby of even the theoretical possibility of using an impl at 2200 and summoning 100 earth elementals?. It would be one thing if your army were comparable; then you could trade the hat for stats.

all this looks very strange.

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meaning you used DD with Brissa 2 times? I couldn't reach that nagash bank that you took with Brissa at 215 in any other way, neither by splitting Brissa into barbarians nor directly.

5.4. The Dimension Door spell can be used by any hero no more than once per day.
Previously as far as I know, DD could be used 2 times; I assume you didn't know about this rule change.


my apologies, I overlooked this addition for 8mm6a.
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