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finally found the time to reply ) I have no desire to argue, get worked up, or figure out who is better able to understand things more deeply :o Wicc
That's exactly the problem—you're writing speculative conclusions. Not your own, of course. To see this for yourself, look at your initial post, for example. A simple Google search of statistics shows that you've exaggerated wildly. The number of abortions per year is something like 1.2-1.5M (versus your 8), and the number of drug addicts, according to various estimates, ranges from 500K to 2M (versus your 10); I don't remember about homeless children, but even in the 90s it didn't reach 4M, and now even less so. And the total population count is also laughable; you should at least know that if you're reasoning on such topics.
Here and hereafter, I am providing figures from memory; real ones may differ, but unlikely by much.
Those figures you're talking about are statistics from sources biased toward the government; of course, the same could be said about me, but my sources aren't limited to the internet, + I would only be glad if you turned out to be right. But the task isn't to find out who is right, but to understand and find out what is actually happening, not to remain in ignorance.
you say you googled the number of abortions, but this source, for example, says the opposite: http://www.russian.rfi.fr/node/54731, from 5-12 million abortions per year with a birth rate of 1.7 million
and this source (German Sterligov) claims that the official population size (equal to 142 million, which can be seen in Wikipedia, for example) unfortunately does not correspond to reality at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2yYhhZYaDg - "Sterligov on Russia's population (according to registry office data—turns out they aren't closed anymore)". And I have more reasons to believe him than official state sources.
the same goes for homeless children, but my goal isn't to prove to you that you're wrong, or that in this case you are unfortunately mistaken; the goal is to figure out how things really stand.
And in general, why do you believe official state or government-biased sources so easily? Of course, the same can be said about these sources, but what profit does the state or its biased sources get from people thinking they are being killed, that a hidden war is being waged against them? Wicc
Basically, after this, one can stop reading all your further reasoning and reasonably assume that they are based on sources of similar reliability, and moreover seasoned with your own hysteria. Which, as is known, greatly hinders sound analysis and increases susceptibility to all sorts of scary stories.
one can choose not to read, nobody is forcing anyone.
well, what "hysteria" are you talking about :( , I'm not calling for any revolutionary actions, my goal is simply not to be in ignorance, and it would be good if everything I wrote were just scary stories; unfortunately, this is harsh reality, if I turn out to be wrong I will only be glad. (knowledge of the law of karma allows one to understand that everything that happens to us is fair, and that the person themselves is the main cause of it)
Wicc
Since you made the claim, you're the one to prove it and provide sources. For some reason, I'm sure you won't find anything more serious than the yellow press.
I have no goal to prove anything to you, and I didn't ask you to prove anything to me, I just wanted to know about your sources, nothing more. Wicc
Read it. See the conclusion above and below in the text.
I recall coming across a similar text of "plans for world conquest," supposedly dated to the 70s, for analysis. I don't know if I can find the link to my analysis now, but it was argued there that this text was written no earlier than 2000. In other words, even if some primary source of a similar nature existed, it was substantially reworked later, based on what had actually happened. In short, they bent the desired outcome to fit reality.
It's a similar story with various Protocols and other conspiracy literature—they are relevant only at the moment of their publication, and 10 years before or 10 years after, they look ridiculous even to people not very well-versed in the matter.
I still don't understand then—do you think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Harvard and Houston projects, Committee 300, the Golden Billion theory, plans for the genocide of Africa, the Russian (Serbian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, etc.) peoples—that's all complete nonsense?If it's such nonsense, absurdity, gibberish, then why is everything written there being implemented now in Africa, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia?
+ any plans, goals, intentions are carried out in accordance with time, place, and circumstances", and they have been implementing them for over a thousand years already!
Or do you think they are such fools? They are very smart! They are simply demonic by nature. (in the story you liked, the demonic nature of consciousness is described). They sincerely think everyone around them except themselves are some kind of pigs.
Their goal has always been power (which is always needed to redistribute sources of sensual pleasure) and remains so today, a thousand years later; even their methods haven't essentially changed, only the form has. And do this goal, these plans now look ridiculous after so many years?
Wicc
Many analysts argue about the structure of this group. And very different opinions exist. The interpretation you've indicated belongs to the radical wing of opinions. There are also grounded opinions that such groups (with the specified level of influence) do not exist, and what is happening logically follows from objective laws of economics and mass psychology. Truth, as usual, will be somewhere in the middle.
what is happening follows from their desire: for power, glory, wealth, and not from objective laws of economics; also, what is happening follows from the law of karma—in this case, these guys, the "Hasidic-Freemason group," are the executors of our karma. What objective laws of economics are you talking about in this case? All global crises were artificially organized by the creators of the "Federal Reserve System."
___ his lack of bias is evident at least from the fact that he dedicated his life to anti-alcohol propaganda and travels for this purpose through cities in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, etc., and I have far more reasons to believe him than official Russian and foreign state sources.
Wicc
Who are you trying to surprise with this? The cult of the value of human life is only a few decades old, and it's a big question whether it is an achievement of civilization or a side effect of its development. Opinions on this issue diverge. But generally, they agree that in the near future, this cult will decline.
For a moral, reasonable person (I'm not referring to myself)—human life is important a priori, always, at all times, and for them this value does not decline regardless of the circumstances of place and time.
and the fact that it is currently declining testifies to moral degradation.
The value of the human form of life lies in the fact that—only in it can one understand the idea of God (and this is the only thing that distinguishes humans from animals; no technical progress yet makes a human a human). This doesn't mean that animal forms of life are not important and that they can be slaughtered in slaughterhouses. Simply, in the animal form of life, the soul is unable to understand the idea of God, but the soul there is the same. Wicc
There have been greater victims in history (in percentage terms). Let's say, in China in the 2nd or 3rd century, after a series of wars, the population decreased from ~60 million to ~8 million, i.e., by 86%. And nothing, they survived somehow. If modern conspiracy theorists existed then, imagine what they would have cooked up... while historians describe this as a consequence of objective economic and demographic laws.
all this is a consequence of our immorality, sinfulness (sin is the conscious violation of God's laws for the material world) Wicc
Simple common sense is enough here to understand that even if 50% of the population is vaccinated, the remaining 50% will easily fill the demographic hole. And where they don't, it will be compensated by migration from areas untouched by vaccination or from other states.
well, it would be good if everything happened exactly as you say, maybe they will fill it, but is vaccinating 50% of people with the aim of making them infertile, for example, not a crime? but in the school where my mother works (a teacher with 35 years of experience), they have already started introducing this vaccine—"for cervical cancer prevention," which leads to haploidy.
And why do you think they will stop at 50 percent; this vaccine is planned to be introduced in all schools in Russia. Wicc
As it happens, in all living beings, reproductive capabilities significantly exceed the objective need to maintain population. Americans learned this fact from personal experience, which is why they abandoned attempts to control the population size using this method, at least on a mass scale.
Again, there are enough competent microbiologists worldwide now, so sooner or later any biological aggression will be detected.
Well, come on, what next? Analysis methods aren't standing still either. And catching a hostile microbe and isolating its carrier from society is technologically much simpler than developing that microbe.
Why do you think they abandoned these attempts? I'm not asking you to prove this to me now, I just want to know what your sources are, I want to familiarize myself with them. these sources, for example, say that Africa continues to be killed by AIDS (within the framework of the "Golden Billion theory").
That is, effectively you are claiming that it's easier to build than to break, that curing AIDS in a person is easier than infecting them with it? Is that so? Interesting point of view!
What is the difficulty in creating a microbe, infection, biological threat to humans? Considering that, as you say, "there are enough competent microbiologists worldwide now."
+ of course all this can be done (detecting the microbe, isolating the person) if there is such a task, but today's Russian state, carrying out genocide of its "own" people, why would it do that? (perhaps for appearance's sake, nothing more)
for example, these sources say that the destruction of Africa by AIDS continues: More than 2.5 million AIDS patients die annually in Africa alone: http://samo-iscelenie.org.ua/index.php/aids-menu http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2002/077/analit05.php and many more can be found; of course, contradicting sources can also be found, but the task is not to prove who is right or wrong in this matter, the task is to understand how everything really is.
Wicc
Control through the media is definitely very strong. And that's exactly where I see the main danger; the technique of conducting information wars is currently experiencing rapid growth, attack and defense methods are improving before our eyes, roughly like tanks and planes in the 30s/40s.
well that proves it, albeit indirectly, that they haven't shut down anything, why would they give up their plans? if in their hands is the Federal Reserve System (an LLC with a share capital of 200 million dollars) printing hundreds of trillions of dollars and the army: USA, European Union, Japan??? Wicc
People who express thoughts like yours are victims of this very information war. In about 20 years, when the concept of hygiene of consciousness reaches the broad masses, the public will only wonder how stupid the previous generation was.
and what should this "hygiene"—purity of consciousness—consist of in your view?
A person possessing a pure consciousness will not laugh at the ignorance taking various forms of another person; on the contrary, he will empathize with him.
This entire information system (media), in all countries, is aimed at keeping people in ignorance. Their goal is that neither you nor I ever find out about these cannibalistic projects, about Committee 300 (the richest clans in the world) and other crimes.
In my opinion, the victim of this information war is the one who thinks: "everything is fine, the state cares for us, their goal is my well-being, everything they don't say is true, we bring democracy to Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, and they are such ungrateful pigs to shoot down our planes peacefully bombing their cities, that the population of Russia is growing, that Vovochka, Medvedev, Anishchenko, etc., are our benefactors, etc.".
Wicc
Firstly, I meant the earnings of local vaccine manufacturers.
Secondly, they can print as many dollars as they want only in theory; in practice, there are limitations, both procedural and common sense. Therefore, if there is an opportunity to suck out several billion greenbacks the traditional way, they don't refuse it.
Essentially, a crisis is the clogging of economic capillaries with all sorts of slag and, consequently, the need for constant large-scale emissions that threaten to overturn the entire financial pyramid. The demiurges get little joy from these emissions, just a headache.
firstly, local vaccine manufacturers are simply used to achieve their goals (to distribute vaccines that lead to infertility, for example. Under the flag of peaceful, kind, eternal, of course), yes, these manufacturers will "earn," but those who use them will earn nothing from it; on the contrary, they pay them, and why would they need to earn from someone or something if they have the printing press and the army in their hands???
Yes, they use people and situations to exchange Dollars—"debt obligations of their federal reserve system"—for property, land, loyalty of people they need, etc.
The American dollar is not American money; it is a debt obligation of the federal reserve system, merely printed on US territory; the USA is now almost the only country that does not have its own currency. Kennedy tried to break away from this federal reserve system and start printing
secondly, they couldn't care less about all procedural, common sense, or any other limitations; they've already done it by printing 100 times more dollars worldwide than goods that can be bought with them.
Official US debt for 2010 is 14.5 trillion dollars; no single country in the world has such a debt.
thirdly, all crises were artificially organized—by Committee 300 (the richest clans in the world), and not as a result of violating economic laws.
of course, these people might be wrong, but what they say, in my view, looks very much like the truth, + they are not the only sources asserting this.
Wicc
If such a goal existed, it would have been easily realized in the 90s, when Russia was in a deep knockdown. But since it wasn't realized, and instead, billions in humanitarian aid were poured in, nukes were left :eek: (aren't they idiots :confused:), it means the goals are different.
Now Russia is in an even deeper economic (produces nothing, only consumes), food (agriculture destroyed, 80% of food is imported), industrial (all factories destroyed), social (people outside Moscow and St. Petersburg mostly live in poverty), defense (army destroyed, in 2013 it is planned to leave 500k regular army instead of 8 million in 1989) and so on knockdown than it was then.
And how much of those tranches ("American" bucks) did the people receive? People survived then and survive now not thanks to this "humanitarian aid," but despite it.
Why do you think they didn't realize it? implementation is in process; there are still (89 million) of us, which is a lot for servicing the resource extraction industry and the Siberian railway.
+ Do you think reducing the population of Russia by 50 million people over 20 years is small? Wicc
Alas, you are wrong here, and quite significantly.
I don't know how it actually stands myself, but I'm sure my interpretation is much closer to the truth than yours. I won't tell it yet; first try to digest the simpler material higher up in the text.
during 12 years of Putin's rule, only the resource extraction industry hasn't been destroyed; all others are completely destroyed,
take for example plants like Sibtyazhmash, Sibstal (where my father worked for 10 years)—which had no analog and has none in the world, producing more than 200 types of steel for military and space industries—cut up for scrap, premises rented out as offices. Russia now produces nothing, only consumes.
I wonder what your confidence is based on? Tell me, I want to hear your opinion, your understanding of this issue.
Are Putin and Medvedev our friends? Why then does the people not receive a drop of oil-dollars. In Kuwait, in the United Arab Emirates, for example, people receive a percentage from the sale of natural resources. In the UAE, every newborn receives 10 thousand dollars in a bank account immediately. It was also the case in Libya, for example; Gaddafi paid every resident of his country a percentage from oil sales. Profits from oil-dollars are no less than in the UAE, but why then do the people in Russia not receive a kopek from the sale of natural resources, if our government cares so much about us?
Getting tired of commenting, maybe I'll continue later. Or maybe I won't; after all, further down the text you mostly repeat the first half.
further down the text there is a lot of specifics, for example: in the school where my mother works now, they started introducing the vaccine against cervical cancer, which all girls must undergo mandatorily.
If you think this is all complete nonsense, well, give your child and let her get this vaccine. ______________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________________
apologies for mistakes and typos thx for attention
ariputra
