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Message from Dirty_Player:
That's all just words. I'll rephrase the question. How do you determine who is smarter between two people?

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2R55Max, ariputra:
The art of a good speaker is to convey an idea to the listener, using a minimum of text and filler. Your lengthy texts are really not enjoyable to read.

Each person's communication style is different. A forum is for communication and discussion of various topics; if there is at least a dialogue between people, it means it is interesting to them, and the opinion of those who are not interested in reading is not taken into account, as they only interfere with the discussions of those who enjoy it in the form it is presented. You can choose not to read and not go into details, just like with other existing topics.

The fact that you write and constantly emphasize the length and volume suggests that you misunderstand what the art of a speaker is. Apparently, for you, understanding oratory lies in a message of no more than 10 lines. LOL.

The expression "oratory" has more than one meaning. Your understanding – that it is the ability to convey the necessary information with a minimum of words – does not take into account the types and forms of oratory (I will not list them, as scientific, complex textual explanations probably scare your mathematical view of the essence of this expression).

Any speech consists of three parts: introduction, argument, and conclusion.

1. The introduction should include a brief summary of the idea whose validity will be proven (a quote from the interlocutor) in the second part of the speech. There are various types of introductions, and its choice depends on the overall goal and the audience to which the speaker is addressing.

2. The main part of the speech is the argument.
- It can be of three types, or perhaps more; I don't know any others, and it can combine all three:
a) logical, when the speaker logically proves the validity of the idea to the audience
b) emotional, which requires great dedication and acting skills.
c) informational, with the provision of evidence based on reference material and links.

3. Conclusion, where the main ideas of the speech and proposals are briefly summarized again.

In short, oratory is a rather complex structure that requires intellectual and emotional creativity in public speaking from the speaker.

A minimum cannot be any proof if it does not repeat itself with precision several times. And similar expressions, but with different words, carry different semantic loads when addressing listeners, as each word has its own "absolute" meaning, as well as, moreover, synonymous and antonymous... subtexts.

And those who simply find it difficult to engage their brains (in relation to discussing textual material) and analyze long messages (their battery probably runs out quickly, and laziness knocks on their side) – read them in 3-5 passes; it will help :) or don't read them.

Message from Mizrael:
The funniest thing is that everyone will stick to their own opinion.

For example, I understood ariputra in many ways, and he understood me in many ways, although the views were initially from different concepts. There were disagreements, but I understood something, and he understood something, but a normal form of presentation and the absence of anger and sarcasm led to understanding and resolution of the dispute.