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Silvanis;54136
I remember a chapter where the Morgul and Mordor Orcs slaughtered each other in the fortress of Cirith Ungol
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In fact, only Saruman's Orcs turn out to be law-abiding.
Yes, I was already thinking that Orcs are inherently too chaotic... Saruman's Orcs, by the way, were mutants bred by him, as far as I remember, so they behaved better than ordinary Orcs. :)
Silvanis;54136
by the way, if you remember, Grishnákh decided to steal the Ring from the Hobbits and take it for himself
I remember it very well, and although it can be partially attributed to the "call of the Ring," he is still far from being orderly... By the way, the example of LotR can illustrate many of the worldviews being debated here! Orcs are most likely chaotic evil. A disorganized horde, ready to tear each other apart over the slightest trinket, over a trivial disagreement. Saruman is almost a perfect example of lawful evil. Strict hierarchy, the state he created, a clearly defined goal - power; even after being overthrown, he manages to subjugate (again, by creating a mini-state, using power and law) the Shire... His subjects do not destroy and break everything good; if they break something, it is for a strictly defined purpose: both the Ents' forest and the groves in the Shire were cut down for his mechanical devices, and not just out of malice. I think that the Nine Nazgûl are closest to neutral evil. On the one hand, they seem to exist in the orderly "economy" of Sauron, and on the other - complete "absence of presence," no emotions - they simply obey Sauron's will, and this is not their choice, note. Gollum is very similar to a neutral evil character. Unlike Orcs, he doesn't have a mess in his head; he has a specific goal, and not just a pure desire to destroy and break - this distinguishes him from chaotic evil. But he is also not capable of working in a team - he is too individualistic and selfish to accept laws and authority over himself - this excludes the option of "lawful good." And now let's compare it with the definition of NE in AD&D: Neutral Evil: Neutral evil characters are primarily concerned with themselves and their own advancement. Their only interest is in getting ahead. If there is a quick and easy way to gain a profit, whether it be legal, questionable, or obviously illegal, they take advantage of it. Although neutral evil characters do not have money, which makes them quite receptive to bribes. In my opinion, Gollum is a perfect match! :) A flexible chameleon, willing to cooperate if it benefits him, and not hesitating to stab in the back for the same benefit.