CIS Club Championship 2010-2011

Vova, no offense, but as usual, it's a lot of rambling and meaningless. As they say, just to chat and compare apples to oranges. All the questions you raised about Krasnodar, etc., have already been discussed. No one remembers the past; the current issues are different.

But why did they suddenly arise?
Vik is contradicting himself!
First, he calls Heroes a competitive discipline and makes fun of those who leisurely move their horses while drinking beer.
But the format he proposed is only a step away from that picture.
It's all about the atmosphere, you know.
If it's esports, then it's a club.
If it's just for fun, then it could even be a beach in Egypt!
Is the concept of atmosphere and ambiance really that insignificant?
Let's hold the Champ-18 final on Red Square! It's closer to the hotels, after all! :D

As for the tournaments, organize at least one, and then point your finger. You had that opportunity – in a multi-million city like Moscow, only 6 people showed up for the tournament. Isn't that sad? It was sad for me. What "revival" are you talking about? No one needs it anymore. To talk about a revival, you need to work on it, not just talk. With the current trends, this is probably one of the last major tournaments. Belarus didn't even hold qualifying rounds; only 4 people played in King...

Noted! But pointing your finger is my right, and it's not your prerogative to decide whether I should do it or not. You can only point out the discrepancy between the facts I present and reality! I'll point it out to you now: I haven't had the opportunity to organize a proper tournament (in my opinion) yet, so you're wrong.
And it all came down to the lack of the most basic resource, which I wrote about in my previous post ;)
And your words are just confirmation: without proper material incentives, or at least support, no one will lift a finger.
But if there are resources, I will definitely organize it.
I suggest we don't argue about this topic right now, but remember these red letters – and then we'll see who's just talking.... although I hope this definition is nothing more than an attempt to put pressure on the opponent in the absence of other arguments))

In Dnipro, there were 8 people, including people from different cities. More people didn't come mainly because of the lack of motivation – the trip to Michurinsk is not close, not cheap, not convenient, and not fast. I offered to take the finalists to the final even before the qualifying round, but that turned out to be impossible.

Exactly!!! Motivation again! The most basic resource.
In that hypothetical tournament that we were talking about above, transportation and other incentives are planned to the fullest.... that's why it hasn't been held yet.... yet ;)

Let's say 12 people will come to the final, is that much more than in the qualifying round in Dnipro? No. For the scale of the CIS, even 16 is not significant. Those who can will come. In that case, I don't see the point in qualifying rounds. Everyone already knows who plays at what level. This farce about the "elite" tournament is no longer needed by anyone at the moment, and even less so next year. If some people don't have the opportunity to hold qualifying rounds, then quotas should be given to those who deserve it in the opinion of most of the finalists.
The Belarusians, Stinger – what kind of final would it be without Artem? Does anyone doubt his ability to win the tournament? If strong players can come, they should be given the opportunity to come and play. This is at least some kind of revival. And when there are no more applicants, then we can hold qualifying rounds.

It's all about the same thing.
Why did poker devour Heroes? Both are games, but in one, money is circulating and players are getting paid, and in the other, nothing.
But I agree – we need to give people the opportunity)).
Read what's written in red.
And if there is a lack of information, I don't recommend arguing right now – I will invite everyone to this event, including those for whom Heroes is more than just a game – but you might refuse to come so as not to look stupid after this argument :)
For me, this argument is not an attempt to convince you of something, but a search for the truth.
In essence, we are talking about the same thing: there is no money, Heroes is dying.
I'm going further – if there is money, it will grow and flourish.
Eric's feat lies precisely in the fact that he manages to do this with almost no money.... well, with some necessary expenses from the players themselves – but without that, it's impossible.
So, we shouldn't interfere with him and belittle his role – at this stage, with the current lack of sponsorship, his dedication deserves respect – I know this because I have experienced it personally.
Yura too, but to a much lesser extent.
And it would be good for your guys and you, Pyotr, to find an opportunity to break away – Eric's tournament tradition is such that you would definitely reconsider your point of view.
Well, it's not evening yet.
In the end, this Champ is not the last one, and I have absolutely no reason to make a fool of myself and talk nonsense by typing red letters :smile02:

Peace to all ©