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Sorry Rmax, I didn't mean to offend you; it's just that in my (apparently mistaken) view, the question was a trick—as if we are either gay or don't-know-what-they-are own-half-in-love donkeys—or idiots at most. That is exactly how I read between the lines.
You say that I split it up and presented it in a different light, but I only highlighted what is unclear to me or what I disagree with, and expressed my subjective opinion (there was no goal to discredit you in the eyes of others).
You say that only fascists and Nazis considered themselves descendants of the Aryan race, but Aryans or Aria are not a race at all, nor a nation,
Aryans are people who were guided in their lives by the knowledge of the Vedas (the laws of nature described in the Vedas). (There is evidence in Indian temples that Jesus was in India, in Jagannatha Puri until 33 years old and studied the Vedas there, lived by them). A person of any nationality can be an Aryan, or not—that is, whether a person is an Aryan or not depends on whether they possess certain qualities (morality, respect for elders, respect for women as mothers, benevolence, friendliness, courage, selflessness, self-control, decisiveness, patience, generosity, etc.) or not. (If you don't like this word, another can be used; previously, an Aryan was simply called a moral person).
In the section of the Vedas—the Bhavishya Puranas dedicated to predictions (modern materialistic scientists claim that the records were made 5 and more thousand years ago (they say they found this out by carbon analysis): the appearance of personalities such as Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha and others is described, along with other predictions. Here are excerpts from the Bhavishya Puranas; perhaps some will find it interesting [if it's not interesting, it doesn't mean a person is worse or stupider, just different views, tastes]: http://www.koob.ru/ctiven_knapp/knapp
But nominally, all of us now on earth belong to the "Aryan race," to the Aryans—in the sense that our ancestors were people who followed the knowledge of the Vedas. But now is an era of degradation and loss of knowledge—Kali Yuga (The Iron Age: drug addiction, banditry, debauchery, a world of deceived deceivers, and we are both deceiving and being deceived due to the presence of the four flaws), and therefore we follow nothing.
From Wikipedia: - (Vedas (Sanskrit वेद, véda IAST — "knowledge", "teaching") — a collection of the most ancient[1] sacred scriptures of Hinduism in Sanskrit.[2]) - ARYANS, ARYANS, ARYANS [from Sanskrit arya = "noble, faithful, friendly" - http://taoktagon.narod.ru/arii.htm,
excerpt from here: http://pandoraopen.ru/2010-06-17/arij-–-syn-ariya/ _____________________________________________________________ – The name Aryan, or Aryans, was used in its time by the Germans as well, implying primarily the Nordic race. It turns out that this is the self-name of group R1a1, which is much more common in Russia than in Germany…
– From a quarter to a third of Germans belong to group R1a1, which can be called Aryan because its representatives called themselves so. These same Germans are descendants of the Slavs R1a1 who inhabited these lands before the arrival of Germanic tribes. But there is no political contribution in this concept. The Nordic race itself no longer correlates with the Aryan one, therefore the Germans missed both with the concept of the Nordic race and with the fact that Germany was the source of development for the Aryan race (which was not a race, but a group of clans).
– And if one tries to use haplogroups to understand the kinship ties of Russians and Germans, will Gumilev's assertions about the connection between Germans and Russes etc. be confirmed?
– When haplogroups appeared, there were no Germanic or Scandinavian tribes. In those ancient times in Europe, there were several clans. This is an objective concept determined by their chromosomes, the presence of mutations in them. Ethnic groups in the current understanding practically did not exist. One cannot say that R1a1 is a Germanic clan or a Russian one, of course. But that Russians and Germans are relatives is completely obvious, even just looking at them. We, in principle, do not differ much from Germans. It's not the difference that, say, Japanese or Chinese have from Russians. It is, in principle, the same clan. Germany, France, England, Holland, Scotland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus—these are mostly people of one and the same clan, so there is no particular difference. There is a linguistic difference—yes, a religious difference—yes, but these things are relatively recent: they didn't exist millennia ago when the clans were formed. All these differences have rather ethno-cultural, political foundations. And why are the same clans found in different countries? Clans are not defined by country borders. _______________________________________________________________
Michael A. Cremo writes very interestingly about this in the book - Devolution Man: The Vedic Alternative to Darwin's Theory - http://lib.rus.ec/b/95636 Video - http://rutube.ru/tracks/2340281.html _____________________________________________________________
You say that fascists and Nazis (meaning the Germans who called themselves Aryans [but if I put on a lab coat, take a scalpel in my hands, and call myself a doctor, I don't become a doctor from that]) did not consider other peoples and wanted to rule the world—but both Hitler (Adolf Alois Schicklgruber) and Stalin are half-blood Jews (pure-blooded Jews, as they are called), Hitler's grandmother was an Austrian Jew, Stalin—Ioseb Dzhugashvili—a Mingrelian Georgian Jew, plus almost the entire top leadership at that time and even now in Germany and the USSR consisted of Jews; in Germany, for example, 90 generals in the Gestapo were pure-blooded Jews. They (no own animosity toward them as a nation) pitted two Indo-European peoples, Slavs and Germans, against each other and made quite a few financial profits from this (on their guts).
In pure-blooded Jewish families, a child is explained from age 3 that we are an exceptional nation destined to rule other peoples—who in the Torah (Kabbalah) in their sacred scriptures are directly called two-legged animals; they don't even hide their attitude—is this not fascist philosophy? From the Torah - IzToriya - Istoriya - History - that is where our modern "history" comes from.
A demonic Judeo-Pharisaic game, two Aryan peoples pitted against each other for the amusement of IMF-like Moyshas. (IMF - International Monetary Fund)
This is scientifically described by Danilov - "The Aryan Empire: Death and Rebirth" - for this book, Jewish brothers killed this man. In Astarkhov's - "The Strike of the Russian Gods".
Mikhail Zadornov also tells very interesting things about Aryans: - "Aryan—Hitler defiled this word," - or it was defiled through his hands, discredited. ______________________________________
Our family lived in Germany for five years—good-natured people, they don't have that aggression attributed to them ("of course, every family has its black sheep"), no pretensions to world domination, no pretensions to exceptionality; we lived in the same yard as Germans, went to German stores and during all that time not a single contemptuous look :) ___________________________________________
Interesting fact: since ancient times on Rus', long before World War II, grandmothers embroidered a pattern on mittens that exactly repeated the swastika or swastika: http://www.radosvet.net/slav/7300-uzory-russkogo-severa.html, also this swastika was on pre-Christian Orthodox temples (which were destroyed by representatives of Proselytized Christianity). And Hitler (Schicklgruber) adopted it as his own, just like the "Aryan brand." And now the swastika, Aryans, and Aryan are associated with him. _____________________________________________________
You say that you often can't understand who a forum member is, that a "female avatar" (although in my view, whether it's female or not is determined by motive, not what's drawn on it) is confusing (I agree)—but what stops you from asking in ICQ and dotting the i's? Why engage in speculation? ___________________________________________ ___________________________________________
I apologize if I caused anyone any trouble with what I wrote. Personal apologies to Loy for offensive remarks addressed to him (got carried away :smile43: ) R55MaxKoschei's death is on the tip of a needle, the needle is in an egg, the egg is in a duck, the duck is in a hare. THE HARE IS IN SHOCK!:smile40:
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