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[QUOTE=Ereb]Orcs without their rage would be left with nothing, just a large increase in numbers and dull heads... then we'd see who the losers are... Dwarves are less connected to their runes than Orcs are to their rage... Ereb, if you remove rage from Orcs and runes from Dwarves! Then Orcs would still easily defeat them, as there would be a significant difference in their initial stats!:smile08: