Alex_R
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Let's wait for Vitalik and Vigo to return, create two separate threads, let each participant in the dispute post all their materials, and conduct a general vote.
Yes, I didn't receive a single message from Alex on ICQ; I usually reply to everyone daily. He probably has problems with ICQ again.
I read your conversation with Vitalik, and there are 3 tricky points.
Point 1
In your previous post, you wrote:
The next day, they finally started playing, postponed it, BOTH promised to finish, and then went silent.
Neither of them reported for the next 4 days that they couldn't agree.
Point 2
The deadline for the round and the two extensions has passed, silence.
See above, and our logs. On July 6th, I gave you a complete breakdown, stating that on July 1st and July 2nd, we played with Vitalik; on July 3rd and July 4th, he didn't show up; on July 5th, Vigo didn't show up, and Vitalik couldn't make it. I was ready to play all 6 days, but it only happened twice, not because of me.
Finally, on July 6th, a 0-0 score was set. No, the players didn't believe that the decision was final.
You made the following conclusion:
Pit ?(06/07/2009 17:34):
What can be done? The 5th round draw was a month ago. You were given two extensions. There are also debts in the 6th round. And the 7th round needs to be drawn, as the guys are leaving - they asked. They all play within the deadline; it's not their fault. He says that you don't show up at the agreed time, and you say the same thing. What other decision can be made?
If one side says one thing, and the other says another, logs are usually requested, and the situation is clarified.
But what surprises me even more is that you DIDN'T WANT to investigate, because the logs you provided show that you and Vitalik HAD NO messages from June 30th to July 10th.
Pit (22:41:14 30/06/2009)
okay, fine
vitalic (20:14:45 10/07/2009)
I offered him a draw myself; I don't need the win.
Aren't you setting up Vitalik right now?
Point 3
Vitalik - I want to finish or draw. Alex - I want a technical win because I'm leaving. They couldn't even agree on a draw...
vitalic (20:14:45 10/07/2009)
I offered him a draw myself; I don't need the win.
He's not demanding a technical win because he understands that he doesn't deserve it, and this also indirectly confirms that he doesn't think I was avoiding the game.
He wanted a draw, which means there was no reason to delay.
And after July 6th, I caught Vitalik on ICQ twice, even though the score was "0-0" for both, because I WANTED TO FINISH the game.
On July 7th, as usual, I messaged him, but he couldn't make it, but we agreed on July 8th. He didn't show up on July 8th.
P.S. Pit, I didn't tell you that "I want a technical win because I'm leaving."
That just sounds stupid.
I just made sure that, in my absence, you would have all the necessary information from me about the matches with Vitalik and Vigo.
After reviewing the unpublished logs of Vitalik, I realized that after July 10th, you did discuss this, and only then did he tell you about my alleged avoidance in the form of being late, but this in no way justifies your final decision on July 6th to give us both zero, but rather means that you should have passed the case to the AC.
I just don't understand why the AC decided to leave it as is? After all, the logs show that:
- Vitalik was avoiding it, as I was ready to play and offered 8 times, of which at least 5 times were agreed upon... 2 successful and 3 rejections
- "lateness," which Vitalik complains about, is a concept not covered by the rules; some wait 10 minutes, some wait 1 hour, and some wait forever...
Let's assume that on the first day of our agreement (June 30th), being 30 minutes late = my absence, but immediately we discussed this, and all subsequent meetings should have taken place according to our agreement:
Alex (21:35:07 30/06/2009)
I can't promise to be on time... I don't play until after 10 pm...
vitalic (21:35:31 30/06/2009)
I understand, but will you be there for sure?
He said he would, so he would.
He stated the time he would be ready to play, 9 pm Kyiv time = 10 pm Moscow time.
21:29:33 1/07/2009 (played)
21:21:56 2/07/2009 (played) vitalic (21:22:17 2/07/2009) 30 more minutes and we're on
20:55:08 3/07/2009
21:50:52 4/07/2009
19:14:42 5/07/2009
20:59:24 7/07/2009
21:37:13 8/07/2009
Now, regarding the match with Vigo.
Again, I didn't hear an apology from you that you deceived me here as well. And I also don't understand your meaningless and unfounded stubbornness.
Messages from Vigo within the round deadline:
Unfortunately, the time of the game for my opponent (Alex R) doesn't suit me at all!
If a replacement is not possible, set a technical win.
On July 3rd, I caught him online, but he refused; we agreed on July 5th.
(You knew about this and say that you were waiting for the result.)
Vigo didn't show up; the next day, I was talking to you about the fact that Vitalik was avoiding it and told you that Vigo also didn't show up at the agreed time. The deadline passed; Vigo's desire to have a technical win was confirmed, and you ignored this again, saying that there are many debtors, agree until the end of the next round. I didn't receive anything from Vigo, and he didn't tell me why he didn't show up for the game.
And now, regarding your logs when Vigo offered me.
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:12):
Now Vigo said that Alex didn't respond to his offer and simply disconnected from ICQ. Is that true?
...at 5 pm, my workday ends; obviously, I was at work with ICQ on, and I might not have noticed this message, and when I left work, I naturally turned off the computer. At home that day, I was packing my things and didn't want to play with anyone anymore, and in the evening, I went in to send all the information to Pit.
And so it turns out:
Vigo's initial agreement to a technical win + confirmed by 2 REJECTIONS within the round deadline AGAINST one attempt by Vigo to offer me to play on the 4th day of the round extension
... and the AC decides to give both zero?!