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In this case, I believe that Alex_R deserves a more in-depth understanding from Pit.
A 0-0 was given because, despite the immense desire of all players to reach an agreement and play, there was no result. A draw was not given because the players themselves could not agree on a draw. Giving victory to one of them was impossible, as it is impossible to weigh whose desire to play was greater by a fraction of a milligram or who among them was even slightly more in the right. The pointlessness of this dispute is depressing. I see no constructiveness. One thing I am sure of: it's time to end this. If it is fundamentally important for the forum to change the result, we can wait for Vitalik and Vigo to return, create two separate threads, let each participant in the dispute post all their materials, and hold a general vote over the course of a month (1-1, 0.5-0.5, 0-0, 0-1, 1-0, 0.3-0.7, etc.). Then everyone will be able to delve deeper and reach a decision.
Yes, I received not a single message in ICQ from Alex; usually, I reply to everyone daily. He probably has problems with ICQ again.
My negotiations with vitalic (shortened version):
vitalic ?(25/06/2009 16:34):
actually, I called Alex in private as far back as last week and suggested playing even in fragments—however he can
vitalic ?(25/06/2009 16:34):
but so far there's silence from him
vitalic (21:10:10 28/06/2009)
hi, the weekend is over, didn't catch Alex((
vitalic (21:10:38 28/06/2009)
I suggested to him playing a little bit throughout the week, since he can only start from 10 PM, he was waiting for the weekend...
vitalic (21:24:52 28/06/2009)
sorry, I'm really trying to get him into the game—I have his ICQ logs, and it's also strange that he supposedly pinged me here in ICQ—but there are no messages, anyway I'll keep trying
Pit (21:26:20 28/06/2009)
And did you manage to agree on the weekend?
vitalic (21:27:08 28/06/2009)
yes
vitalic (21:27:18 28/06/2009)
he's been gone all day today
vitalic (21:28:40 28/06/2009)
yesterday I waited half the day—wrote in ICQ, he wasn't there, he sent a private message on the site saying he couldn't reach me in ICQ, I turned on Hamachi, gave him network access, gave my mobile number so he could send a message, but he was gone again—looks like he didn't wait and yesterday evening he was completely absent; he can play from 10 PM—anyway it's strange, maybe he left town
Pit (21:41:19 28/06/2009)
maybe you should set a specific time for the game then?
vitalic (21:41:39 28/06/2009)
let's do it!
vitalic (21:42:01 28/06/2009)
he and I agreed on the weekend and something didn't work out((
vitalic (21:43:06 28/06/2009)
I write to him practically every day
vitalic (21:43:14 28/06/2009)
and there is correspondence from work too
Pit (22:37:58 28/06/2009)
Pit (22:37:43 28/06/2009)
Hi! Vitalik asks to set a time for your game. He can play on workdays from 20 to 24 (MSK) or on weekends from 9 to 24 (MSK). Please choose a day and time convenient for you and let me know—I'll post it on the forum. You have one week left for the game.
Pit (22:43:06 28/06/2009)
Sent a PM too—I'll check the forum to see when he receives it
vitalic ?(30/06/2009 13:31):
hi, Alex appeared today
Pit ?(30/06/2009 15:21):
yes, I asked him again, he hasn't replied yet. I suggested that he either post on the forum, or at 21:00 today I will assign you Wednesday from 22 to 24 with completion at the same time on Thursday and Friday.
Pit (22:39:37 30/06/2009)
good evening! Are you playing?
vitalic (22:39:52 30/06/2009)
he just arrived
vitalic (22:40:23 30/06/2009)
we agreed on tomorrow, I've already sat down to finish playing with numOne
Pit (22:41:14 30/06/2009)
okay, good
vitalic (20:14:45 10/07/2009)
I offered him a draw myself, I don't need the tech win
My negotiations with Alex_R (shortened version):
Pit ?(19/06/2009 8:14):
Hi! When will you play in Best and Seasons? It's about time... Three days left in Best, and in Seasons you should have played 2-3 games already...
Pit ?(22/06/2009 10:21):
why can't you agree with Vitalik?
Alex_R ?(22/06/2009 10:26):
I don't know—maybe my messages didn't go through... from today I'll be bombing the debts in both
Alex_R ?(22/06/2009 10:26):
in any case, around July 10th I might leave and therefore everything I don't manage to play—tech loss.
Alex_R ?(22/06/2009 10:27):
regarding SOY, in the next couple of days I will definitely play one or several games
Pit ?(22/06/2009 10:27):
try to play
Alex_R ?(22/06/2009 10:28):
but with Vitalik it will be harder—even when the connection is restored, the time is very inconvenient
Pit (22:37:43 28/06/2009)
Hi! Vitalik asks to set a time for your game. He can play on workdays from 20 to 24 (MSK) or on weekends from 9 to 24 (MSK). Please choose a day and time convenient for you and let me know—I'll post it on the forum. You have one week left for the game.
Alex_R ?(30/06/2009 9:55):
I can play on weekdays and weekends from 22:00 MSK to 5:00
on weekends I can additionally play from 12:00 to 16:00—but it doesn't always work out, this weekend I pinged him during the day when he was online—but he didn't answer, wrote a PM on the forum—but he only replied the next day
Alex_R ?(30/06/2009 12:28):
let's try to play in a couple of sessions, but how do we format this?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:28):
tell me when you start
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:28):
today?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:28):
tomorrow?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:30):
I'll then inform him and write the exact game time on the forum
Alex_R ?(30/06/2009 12:32):
by the way, what about substitutes?
Alex_R ?(30/06/2009 12:32):
will you replace Vigo in round 6 or does he get a tech loss?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:32):
won't work
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:32):
if you also can't agree, then 0 points for both
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:36):
did you try to agree with him?
Alex_R ?(30/06/2009 12:36):
with Vigo? haven't written yet—he decided that for himself right away
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:36):
well try
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:51):
so what did you decide?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:51):
should I set a game time for you and Vitalik?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 12:52):
or will you not play round 5?
Pit ?(30/06/2009 13:12):
basically—decide, and then either decline round 5 on the forum, or I'll post around 21:00 this evening—I'll assign you time with Vitalik from 22 to 24 hours—Wednesday, with completion on Thursday and Friday also from 22 to 24 (MSK).
Alex_R ?(30/06/2009 13:46):
agreed for this evening, and then we'll see how it goes—we'll play/finish playing
Pit ?(30/06/2009 15:25):
ok, good luck!
Alex_R ?(01/07/2009 23:51):
Good night ... we connected today and played both of his restarts and one of mine ... decided to postpone until tomorrow while it's not too late ... if anything, maybe we'll play fully tomorrow or at the latest finish it the day after
Pit ?(02/07/2009 10:44):
write to him in ICQ every day specifying the time—suggest daytime on weekends—that's a universal time—and then give me all the logs
Alex_R ?(02/07/2009 10:46):
I can't do it every day—I have a bunch of other games, I'll write in the evening after the game with Vitalik and when I'm free on weekends and that's it ... I don't want to harass him either ... it doesn't feel quite right for me to be begging him to play with me
Pit ?(02/07/2009 10:47):
the main thing is—suggest the weekend to him.
Pit ?(06/07/2009 9:42):
Hi! how are the games with Vitalik and Vigo doing?
Alex_R ?(06/07/2009 9:43):
hi
Alex_R ?(06/07/2009 9:43):
yeah, some nonsense again
Alex_R ?(06/07/2009 9:45):
I agreed with one and the other, both knew which day I was playing and with whom, in the end neither showed up ... moreover yesterday I was supposed to play Vigo, arrived at 19:00 and while Vitalik was online—decided to play with him ... but he didn't answer, and then at 23600 sent a message that he wasn't near the computer ...
Alex_R ?(06/07/2009 9:48):
basically we played two evenings with Vitalik and other times it didn't work out ... I actually didn't always arrive at 22:00 ... sometimes I was late by 30-40 minutes, but he was either already playing someone else or wrote that it was too late today, and for the specifically agreed time I found out through Vigo that Vitalik was visiting guests and wouldn't play ... by the way, that's when I saw that Vigo set his status in Metroland as ready to play ... and I suggested it to him, and he wrote something like:
"nah forget it, I'll just quickly run a game with someone and go to sleep ... let's do Sunday with me"
In the end, he didn't show up on Sunday
Pit ?(06/07/2009 17:34):
And what can be done? The round 5 draw was a month ago. Your deadline was extended twice. There are debts for round 6 too. And round 7 needs to be drawn because the guys are leaving—they asked. They all play on time, it's not their fault. He says you don't show up at the agreed time, and you say the same. What other decision can be made?
Discussion with Dirty_Player:
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:02):
Vigo says that Alex sets harsh conditions. Like he only plays after 22 MSK
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:02):
For example, I definitely wouldn't be able to play with him
Pit ?(09/07/2009 17:03):
and on weekends?
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:03):
Same!
Pit ?(09/07/2009 17:04):
he wrote that he can play during the day from 14 to 17
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:05):
Vigo says that 14-17 MSK suits him
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:06):
Vigo is ready on weekends
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:07):
Says he's ready to play during the day too
Pit ?(09/07/2009 17:07):
Should I write to Alex that we are setting Saturday and Sunday 14-17 MSK?
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:07):
Let's do that
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:07):
I'll write the same to Vigo
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:09):
Vigo just caught Alex in ICQ and is suggesting he play!
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:12):
Now Vigo said that Alex didn't answer his suggestion, but simply disconnected from ICQ. Is this true?
Pit ?(09/07/2009 17:12):
yes
Pit ?(09/07/2009 17:12):
just now
Dirty_Player ?(09/07/2009 17:16):
Vigo ?(19:58):
well I might be joking, but if you decide—I won't argue! it's just stressful for me to play with him this marathon until 6 AM exhausts me, I already gave him a game in the team event, that's enough
A more complete version of these negotiations is in the attached file. I can personally provide Neznayka with as many more. Probably, I didn't delve deep enough...