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Game Alex - Vitalik.
Round 5. The draw appeared on June 7. Deadline announced - June 21. Based on the poll, 2 weeks is more than enough time to play. I reminded almost all players about their games, Alex as well. On June 20, messages from Alex_R and Vitalik appear on the forum stating they are ready to play. By June 22, there is no result. Adding 3 days. Silence.
We couldn't agree because there were problems with ICQ (messages from my home PC weren't going through). I see that he is online, I write to him, but he doesn't answer—how am I supposed to know why? Later, we figured out what the problem was at work. What, was I supposed to pester you with questions like "why aren't messages reaching my opponent?" or just write "we haven't played yet." Or were we the only ones in debt in the tournament?
Pit for LM
June 25: we set 0-0 for the draw and suggest playing by the end of Round 6 (until July 5) to change the result.
Vitalik asked me to schedule a time for him and Alex, as they can't coordinate without a mediator. Alex writes that he can play on workdays from 10 PM to 5 AM and on weekends during the day. Vitalik can play in the evening until midnight. Both agree to play in several sessions from 10 PM to midnight. BOTH inform me that they can play on Tuesday, June 30. I was forced to schedule a time—and sat waiting for them. Vitalik appeared, waited for Alex for 30 min and started finishing his game with numOne. Also Best. Alex was late.
Yes, I was late; the logs show he wrote to me at 22:04, and I only replied at 22:32, although I was at my computer earlier, but specifically fixing the ICQ malfunction and couldn't warn him via ICQ—and didn't try other ways because I thought I could fix the connection quickly. And since he was already playing with numOne at 22:32, it shows that he waited for me much less.

Alex (12:36:05 27/06/2009)
hi
Alex (12:36:10 27/06/2009)
playing now?
Alex (12:37:55 27/06/2009)
hey, you there?
vitalic (21:31:57 30/06/2009)
Offline message (30.06.2009 21:04:15)
hey
Alex (21:32:03 30/06/2009)
yes
Alex (21:32:05 30/06/2009)
I'm here
vitalic (21:32:20 30/06/2009)
oh, ICQ is working now
Alex (21:32:30 30/06/2009)
I reinstalled it
vitalic (21:33:05 30/06/2009)
good job
vitalic (21:33:29 30/06/2009)
I just started with numOne, 4 minutes ago
vitalic (21:33:43 30/06/2009)
already at 131!
vitalic (21:34:01 30/06/2009)
let's do tomorrow at 10.00 and no delays please
vitalic (21:34:10 30/06/2009)
or come earlier—I'm always happy to play
Alex (21:35:07 30/06/2009)
can't promise no delays... I don't play from 10 PM, but after 10 PM... right now it's really stressful, the water was cut off—need to buy and heat water etc. plus reinstalled ICQ...
vitalic (21:35:31 30/06/2009)
I see, but will you definitely be there?
Alex (21:35:59 30/06/2009)
unless a car hits me—I'll be there :-D
Pit for LM
The next day they finally started playing, put it on hold, BOTH promised to finish and went silent.
Neither of them reported over the following 4 days that they couldn't agree.
Pit, why are you writing lies in front of everyone now?
After the failed June 30, we had 2 successful sessions (July 1 restarted) and (July 2 played up to 117); after this game I was talking to you:
Pit (23:31:43 2/07/2009)
hi! put it on hold?
Alex (23:32:04 2/07/2009)
yeah, he can only play until 12—and we sat through until half past twelve
Alex (23:32:19 2/07/2009)
one or two more sessions depending on how it goes
Pit (23:33:23 2/07/2009)
there's still time


But then on the 3rd and 4th, I didn't understand why Vitalik relaxed and stopped playing, although the agreement remained in force and we planned to have sessions every day from 22:00 to 24:00 until we finished the game. But judging by the logs, it was specifically Vitalik who wasn't in a hurry.
On July 3 (written as 3.04), I didn't write to Vitalik because I didn't see him online, and that's when Vigo appeared and then Vitalik was found:

Alex (22:05:00 3/07/2009)
hi
Alex (22:05:08 3/07/2009)
seen Vitalik today?
Vigo (22:05:30 3/07/2009)
hey, nope, I just properly got online myself
Vigo (22:06:22 3/07/2009)
I'm on the line with him now
Alex (22:06:35 3/07/2009)
should I wait for him today?
Vigo (22:06:40 3/07/2009)
he's visiting, let's do tomorrow
Alex (22:06:46 3/07/2009)
ok
Vigo (22:06:52 3/07/2009)
what time can you?
Alex (22:07:02 3/07/2009)
as usual around 22
Vigo (22:07:10 3/07/2009)
ok
Alex (22:08:37 3/07/2009)
do you want to play now, Best?
Vigo (22:09:44 3/07/2009)
no way, staring at the screen until 5 AM again :( I'll just quickly run a game with someone without stress and go to sleep, let's try to do a Best on Sunday


On July 4, I got a refusal from Vitalik
Alex (21:50:52 4/07/2009)
hi... pass today?
vitalic (21:56:35 4/07/2009)
hi
vitalic (21:56:40 4/07/2009)
are you ready?
Alex (21:56:45 4/07/2009)
yes
Alex (21:58:03 4/07/2009)
you're loading now
vitalic (21:59:20 4/07/2009)
3 min
vitalic (22:11:39 4/07/2009)
let's pass!
vitalic (22:11:46 4/07/2009)
when will the same-suit be?!
Alex (22:11:52 4/07/2009)
ok I also think there's little left
vitalic (22:12:15 4/07/2009)
indeed
Alex (22:12:31 4/07/2009)
I tentatively agreed with Vigo for tomorrow, thought we'd finish today
Alex (22:12:49 4/07/2009)
but haven't specified the time yet... maybe he'll come by 23

On July 5, Vigo didn't show up for the game, and Vitalik was online—I thought I'd try to write, but he wasn't actually available... he replied only when it was too late...
Alex (19:14:42 5/07/2009)
hi
Alex (19:14:47 5/07/2009)
busy?
vitalic (23:44:43 5/07/2009)
hi
vitalic (23:44:55 5/07/2009)
uh-huh, thought you were with Vigo and didn't bother coming to the PC


... well then... in the end on July 3; July 4; July 5 I failed to play with either Vigo or Vitalik, although I had agreements with both.
Pit for LM
The round deadline and two extensions expired, silence. Finally, on July 6, 0-0 was set.
No, the players didn't believe the decision was final. Vitalik - wants to finish or a draw. Alex - wants a technical win since he is leaving. They couldn't even agree on a draw themselves...
On July 6, I saw the draw for the last round and agreed with Mizrael during the day to play, having become disillusioned with Vitalik and Vigo's discipline

vitalic (21:01:50 6/07/2009)
Offline message (06.07.2009 18:52:47)
hi, battle today?
Alex (21:03:00 6/07/2009)
hi, agreed with Mizrael for today
vitalic (21:06:02 6/07/2009)
oki
vitalic (21:06:07 6/07/2009)
good luck in the game


Naturally, we finished in one session, thanks to Mizrael; last time in a team game with him we put it on hold and never finished, even though he promised me. But here he redeemed himself.

On July 7 I was ready, Vitalik couldn't make it, but at least we agreed for July 8

Alex (20:59:24 7/07/2009)
I'm here
vitalic (22:15:24 7/07/2009)
I just arrived
Alex (22:15:58 7/07/2009)
will you be there tomorrow?
vitalic (22:16:18 7/07/2009)
going for tickets in the evening, but I'll be back by 22:00
Alex (22:16:32 7/07/2009)
Ok


On July 8 I received another refusal.

Alex (21:37:13 8/07/2009)
hi
Alex (21:37:18 8/07/2009)
well, shall we continue?
vitalic (21:37:39 8/07/2009)
hi, I'm already fighting((


On July 9 I was at the computer for the last day before departure and weighing that there is a 90% chance this evening it would be impossible to finish the game with Vitalik, as well as play a game from scratch with Vigo, I still spent this evening on this Best (curse it). Specifically, I gathered all ICQ logs? Also packed the game saves with Vitalik into an archive and sent them to Pit, and then to vbn for backup; informed both via ICQ about this and waited for responses from both.
Pit for LM
How long to wait? People can't play for a month. So what stopped you from playing? AK? Do I need to post kilometers of logs of my negotiations with BOTH players? According to the logs, actually, Vitalik should be given the technical win.
I am only at fault for not being able to play within the round deadline with Vitalik, although not without valid reasons, but at least I craved the struggle for this point, unlike you (Pit) and LeBron who gave up on fighting him entirely. Yes, you wrote about it and did so within the round deadline—GOOD JOB!!!
As for Vigo, you shouldn't have started all this fuss... he asked for his "0" points, just set them and don't worry; just as in your situation you asked to be given "0" points against Vitalik and I don't remember the organizer protesting... double standards are evident!
And forcing me to humiliate myself and bother Vigo just to get an answer like:
Vigo (22:09:44 3/07/2009)
no way, staring at the screen until 5 AM again :( I'll just quickly run a game with someone without stress and go to sleep, let's try to do a Best on Sunday


And naturally no one comes on Sunday—how many such Sundays am I supposed to fish for?
I'm actually interested in seeing those "kilometers of logs" where Vitalik deserves the technical win, as well as some "swings" regarding my disappearances from ICQ when Vigo offered me to play. For example, I received nothing from Vigo either before departure or upon return; and if it was meant that he didn't write because he didn't see me online, then from June 30 to July 9 I was online every day; on July 9 I was also there but in invisible mode. And despite all this, let me remind you that I was banned from the forum from June 30 to July 11, which in turn caused extra inconvenience and difficulties in negotiations etc. Since, for example, even before June 30, within the tournament deadline, Vitalik and I tried to agree via PMs, which turned out to be a very useless activity that essentially let us down.
Pit for LM
Game Alex - Vigo.
Round 6. The draw appeared on June 25. Deadline - July 5. Vigo wrote on the forum that Alex's time doesn't suit him—he doesn't play at night.
I suggested they still try to agree, as Vigo sometimes plays at night and they could also coordinate on weekends. Alex wrote to me that they seemed to have agreed. And Vigo wrote on the forum that they connected. Then—silence... The round ended. No result. Again... In this case 0-0 was set with a suggestion to play by the end of Round 7 (until July 19). Silence. We wait more. Then I contact Alex asking him to agree; simultaneously Dirty is talking to Vigo, who also suggests playing with Alex. Alex immediately disappears from ICQ without an answer. Then Vigo asks to schedule a time, but Alex is already leaving... Now Alex demands a technical win over Vigo. It's not clear to me why? Because Vigo doesn't want to play at night? Or because Alex disappeared from ICQ during attempts to agree?
In principle, I have already commented on the situation with Vigo above (with logs), I will only answer a couple of egregious phrases from this paragraph.
First of all, I didn't lie to you; I agreed with Vigo for the last day of the deadline, and I showed up for the game; the game did not take place due to his absence—what was I supposed to write to you? I already warned you both before and after the round extension not to get involved in this, that you are interfering in a person's private matter.
Answer for your words: "I disappeared from ICQ during attempts to agree"—when exactly did Vigo try to find me? Also provide logs that can refute my logs and say that Vitalik specifically deserved the technical win more. I am more than convinced that many knew I would leave, and maybe you or someone else egged Vigo on to offer me a game after departure, or maybe on July 9 he specifically wanted to play? So that everyone I was supposed to play/finish with could pile on in the last day and let Alex_R deal with it!
Pit for LM
AK made the corresponding decision.
Well, what can be said—if that's truly how it was, then my grievances to the AK representative (LeBron) are indeed groundless; I offer him my apologies, as well as to some other members of AK, although something here is not quite consistent or honest on your part.

So you, Pit, not only distorted facts and misinformed AK, but also set me up. Only I don't understand why—aside from this personal conclusion—you didn't provide those original logs and other info that I sent you? You are also a member of AK...
And why exactly did other members of AK not take an interest in the logs of all parties... by the way, as a backup, I sent them to another AK representative (vbn), specifically for the case where you, Pit, wouldn't receive them..

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