Should we ban the Griffin Conservatory and the Hive of Serpents?

You should apologize, but you've somehow taken a position where WE have to convince you... :eek: Why not the other way around? :confused: You're introducing some kind of innovation, so YOU should be the one arguing and convincing us that this change is for the better! There are no arguments, except that it's overpowered. At least provide some statistics, saying that you played 100 (or better, 1000) online games on 2sm4d(3) and in X% of the games, you had 10 angels on week 2, while Y% of the opponent had 20 wyverns, etc., and based on some statistics, draw conclusions. But instead, you got killed a couple of times on the second week, and you're already proposing bans. As an alternative, generate 1000 sm maps and count the number of hives/caches on the respawn points.