Should we ban the Griffin Conservatory and the Hive of Serpents?

Maybe, but I haven't seen any serious arguments to change my opinion yet; they are all superficial and VERY questionable and debatable.

You should apologize, but you've somehow taken the position that WE need to convince you... :eek: Why not the other way around? :confused: You're introducing some kind of innovation, so YOU should be the one trying to convince us that this change is for the better! There are no arguments, other than that it's overpowered. At least provide some statistics, saying that you've played 100 (better yet, 1000) online games on 2sm4d(3) and in X% of the games, you had 10 angels on week 2, while Y% of the opponents had 20 wyverns, etc., and based on some statistics, you can draw conclusions. But you got killed a couple of times on the second week, and you're already proposing bans. As an alternative, generate 1000 SM maps and count the hives/caches on the spawns.