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So, esteemed fans of Heroes IV and just those who love a good argument.
I certainly expected this topic to spark heated debates... had your say?... But I never expected the conservatism, stubbornness, and unwillingness to even try to be so strong... It feels like we aren't talking about switching to a new (which, by the way, isn't all that new... it's long been established in tournaments not only in Russia but also abroad) version, but about something more global... The fact that you don't even want to see the pros of Equi... well, fine... I can't make you see... You don't want to try?... fine then... that's your problem... I understand the main issue is that Equilibris is an unofficial add-on... That's why you're all waving your hands and digging in your heels... But alas, comrades, as I've said before and you yourselves know perfectly well: 3DO collapsed without finishing the game, and there WILL BE no new add-ons! Instead, a group of developers took it upon themselves out of pure altruism and enthusiasm... And they did it, and continue to do it... however, as I see, not everyone is interested... And what can we say about supporting domestic developers... We'd rather dig in our heels and play the old, buggy version... than a new and improved one, just because it's an unofficial version... I'm sure if Equi were official, there would be no arguments now... But as it is... Now, regarding continuity with other portals... League has been playing on Equi for a long time (and rightly so), Portal is still playing on Storms and hasn't even thought about switching to Equi... We're stuck somewhere in the middle, having only held a couple of tournaments on Equi, but we did hold them... And note, people played in them... So... I want to emphasize Equilibris not because League already plays on it... But because I believe it's time to move to something newer and higher quality. This is my personal opinion, and seeing that the majority of players from HeroesWorld play on Equi, I decided it's probably time...
Dear Sir Catch is naturally against such a transition, because it's not easy to play on 2 versions (I remind you that Portal plays on Storms). It's inconvenient for him, and he apparently doesn't want to bother understanding the changes in Equilibris either... But at the same time, I want to note that the 4th Van Caneghem tournament was held on Storms, the map was interesting, as participants noted, but at the same time only 7 people gathered, and among them I didn't see you, dear Sir Catch... Why is that? And on Portal this year, you played in what seems like only 2 tournaments (I might be wrong), despite their large number and variety... I just want to understand, what then drives your negative opinion about the transition if you aren't an active tournament participant? Maybe just a desire to argue? I hope I'm wrong, and you are indeed concerned about the tournaments... Dear Undergrounder really dislikes TE... namely, that very program... But this program was made for organizers, why should it be for public use? There are things that should only be available to those organizing the tournament... Or should we just post saves here for everyone to see?... Let everyone look... but at least in equal conditions... And why are organizers in some better condition? Because they see the map in advance? Can they make a save tailored to themselves? But there are 2 important points: it's a matter of trust in the organizers; if you can even entertain such a thought, it means you don't trust the organizer... what else is there to talk about? And second: do the organizers themselves have time to participate in their own tournament? More often than not, sadly, they don't... And also: on our portal, rules for organizer participation are accepted: they submit their saves as early as possible, before the start of accepting participant saves, and they submit them to a disinterested but respected person, in whose competence and impartiality no one doubts... For your information, there is a topic in the closed moderator section for organizers' saves (so at any time, any administrator can take a save from there and check it if any questions arise).
Now, regarding some unimaginable problems with installing Equi... That people will have to download something and read... if a person is interested, I don't think it will be a problem for them, just as it wasn't a problem once upon a time to go and buy a disc with Heroes 4 because they wanted to play... And Equi doesn't weigh that much to make a fuss about... People download patches for Heroes 5, don't they? And nothing... they don't complain... As they say, where there's a will...
Now, regarding Equi's global popularity... There were some doubts here... So, right now the World Championship for Heroes 4 is still ongoing online, and it's being played on Equi. Just so you know: 2 foreign forums are participating in the World Championship, and note, people there are already playing on Equi.
LES MATCHS DOIVENT ETRE JOUES EN VERSION EQUILIBRIS 3.51 .
This is a quote from the rules of the French site Archangel Castle. By the way, if I'm not mistaken, their offline events are also held on Equilibris. On the Polish General`s Guild, they also, surprisingly, play on Equilibris.
Is Equilibris little known to newcomers or completely unknown? Yes, possibly... But what's stopping us from making it more known? All it takes is dedicating a few topics to describing what Equilibris is and discussing it, and providing a link to Celestial Heavens for a more thorough study of the add-on... Which I will do shortly.
In short, you've upset me, which is why my post is perhaps overly angry. So please don't be offended if you didn't like my remarks, but I got no positive emotions from your exchange of posts. I understood one thing: some are for switching to Equi, others are categorically against and don't even try to understand the arguments of the former... And of course, in the heat of the arguments, no one even noticed my comment that if someone wants to organize a tournament on Storms, I will support it. I'm not saying a categorical "no" to tournaments on Storms; I only want Equilibris to be the main version for tournaments on Heroes World... But naturally, everyone only listens to themselves and sees only what they want to see... Alright, we've had our fun, and that's enough. I see no point in further arguments... And so, having expressed my vision of the situation and my grievances, I'll move on to the main point. Namely, I have only one option left to make the tournament situation satisfactory for everyone. I'm presenting it now.
For online tournaments, the following scheme will be introduced:
The main and primary version for all online tournaments will be Equilibris 3.51. However, the rules will include a clause stating the following: if opponents in a game mutually agree to play their match on the HoMM IV "Winds of War" version, they may do so, provided that any complaints from either side regarding that game will not be considered by the judges. In the event that one opponent expresses a desire to play on "Winds of War" and the other is against it, the game will be played on the main version, which is Equilibris! In other words, having decided to play on Storms, participants must remember that they are playing at their own risk!
For offline tournaments, the following scheme will be introduced:
Tournaments will alternate between versions. That is, if one tournament was held on the Equilibris version, the next tournament will be held on "Winds of War". The duration of the tournament is no more than 3 weeks, with one week for checking saves and posting results. Thus, a month for each tournament! I see no point in holding tournaments on different versions in parallel, especially if the victory conditions are the same.
And for Stage 9 of the Van Caneghem tournament, for a change, we will play on Equilibris!
I hope these conditions will satisfy everyone.
Thank you for your attention!
Respectfully, Luchik!
"Как это странно всегда.. Вроде бы взрослые люди, А в голове ерунда.. Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."