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The text regarding the ODD was published without coordination with our team's coordinator (of course, Lizard is aware of this, but for those who aren't – that's me, and this is actually why I am writing most of the posts from our team).
Therefore, I don't think it should be taken seriously as a whole. In fact, I wouldn't take it seriously at all until there is confirmation from the second coordinator. Vikk announced that the ODD are coordinated by the teams' coordinators, not unilaterally declared by one side on terms they came up with themselves.
Only the rules regarding the correspondence between absences and tech losses were written correctly. We agreed on these.
Regarding the other points, Lizard didn't even start discussing them; he just presented what he had decided himself. I am checking the remaining details. Perhaps there were some agreements in private messages with someone else.
Added 29 minutes ago
Clarifications have been received from private chats. There is absolute confirmation from Lizard himself that coordinating has become unbearable for him, and he simply doesn't have time to think about these issues.
And since I believe that this message from Lizard is a gross mistake for a coordinator. At least once, could he write a text for his opponents that is being proposed? Wait for edits, agree, and publish the agreed-upon text? There are still two days left before the proposed time for the ODD is announced.
Therefore, we ask the opposing team to replace the coordinator and appoint someone who can discuss and negotiate things instead of repeatedly issuing ultimatums based on their (more than half the time incorrect) understanding of the tournament rules and the situation in general.
Here's a hint on how to do this.
1) Conduct a roll call: who is generally willing to discuss complex issues?
2) Choose the most reasonable person from this list (subjectively), probably the highest tier (hint – it definitely isn't Frish).
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PROFIT!
Surely you will agree with the simple idea that a person who hates coordinating is not suitable as a coordinator; it’s a guaranteed failure. This is evident in the complete silence regarding Loins in the group until the last moment, and then some strange proposals appear at the last minute so that everyone would get upset and compromise. It's like Shrek playing with TT_HNK using incorrect heroes when TT_HNK immediately stated which heroes were correct and why. Now there are saves being made in the final round for judging, even though no one ever suggested this idea before or agreed with it.
From my side, this isn't even a complaint; I already wrote that I like the idea of making life easier for people instead of complicating it. And if Lizard doesn't want to coordinate, why does he torture himself?
In our civilization, 99% of problems arise because children are forced to do boring things they don't want to do, and then they grow up and continue to do boring things badly that they don't want to do.
I am sure that Matador could handle it better on your team. I have played several games with him; there were 1-2 logical errors, but that happens to everyone (including me), and overall, communication with him is close to excellent. Issues can be discussed. Perhaps Kaliban. I haven't communicated with him personally, but he was the one who came up with the most sensible idea for resolving the tier issue.
p.s. update from TT_HNK. The time for the ODD was not directly coordinated by Lizard with either me or TT_HNK. HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE?!
The strangest thing is that the time seems to be roughly correct. I cannot confirm this yet. This once again proves that Lizard is a very intelligent person. But it doesn't negate everything else I wrote.
Added 7 hours 51 minutes ago
Final decision regarding Lizard's text after all discussions and exchange of arguments in private messages.
The decision regarding the ODD published by Lizard was not agreed upon with our team, so we completely reject it. It's null and void.
When the opposing coordinator is ready to discuss anything (forget about "normally discussing," at least just discussing, arguing with each other in private messages, saying things like "you are annoying," trying to push their own version – all of this is optional), but damn it – discussing and negotiating (mandatory) – they should write to me in private message, on ICQ – we will discuss it.
I am also open to discussing it via voice chat on Skype if we can coordinate, even more so because (oh, miracle!) writing long texts about how someone is messing up doesn't appeal to me at all.
p.s. what is happening seems so surreal to me that I am starting to doubt whether I should be a coordinator at all. For example, I simply cannot understand how one can schedule an ODD without coordinating the time with both sides. What is the idea? What is the hope? If anyone knows, please tell me. It feels like this is some kind of flash mob to prank me. But as long as I have direct confirmation from Lucky that I am the coordinator of our team, I will act as I see fit. Don't bring out the popcorn.
Therefore, I don't think it should be taken seriously as a whole. In fact, I wouldn't take it seriously at all until there is confirmation from the second coordinator. Vikk announced that the ODD are coordinated by the teams' coordinators, not unilaterally declared by one side on terms they came up with themselves.
Only the rules regarding the correspondence between absences and tech losses were written correctly. We agreed on these.
Regarding the other points, Lizard didn't even start discussing them; he just presented what he had decided himself. I am checking the remaining details. Perhaps there were some agreements in private messages with someone else.
Added 29 minutes ago
Clarifications have been received from private chats. There is absolute confirmation from Lizard himself that coordinating has become unbearable for him, and he simply doesn't have time to think about these issues.
And since I believe that this message from Lizard is a gross mistake for a coordinator. At least once, could he write a text for his opponents that is being proposed? Wait for edits, agree, and publish the agreed-upon text? There are still two days left before the proposed time for the ODD is announced.
Therefore, we ask the opposing team to replace the coordinator and appoint someone who can discuss and negotiate things instead of repeatedly issuing ultimatums based on their (more than half the time incorrect) understanding of the tournament rules and the situation in general.
Here's a hint on how to do this.
1) Conduct a roll call: who is generally willing to discuss complex issues?
2) Choose the most reasonable person from this list (subjectively), probably the highest tier (hint – it definitely isn't Frish).
...
PROFIT!
Surely you will agree with the simple idea that a person who hates coordinating is not suitable as a coordinator; it’s a guaranteed failure. This is evident in the complete silence regarding Loins in the group until the last moment, and then some strange proposals appear at the last minute so that everyone would get upset and compromise. It's like Shrek playing with TT_HNK using incorrect heroes when TT_HNK immediately stated which heroes were correct and why. Now there are saves being made in the final round for judging, even though no one ever suggested this idea before or agreed with it.
From my side, this isn't even a complaint; I already wrote that I like the idea of making life easier for people instead of complicating it. And if Lizard doesn't want to coordinate, why does he torture himself?
In our civilization, 99% of problems arise because children are forced to do boring things they don't want to do, and then they grow up and continue to do boring things badly that they don't want to do.
I am sure that Matador could handle it better on your team. I have played several games with him; there were 1-2 logical errors, but that happens to everyone (including me), and overall, communication with him is close to excellent. Issues can be discussed. Perhaps Kaliban. I haven't communicated with him personally, but he was the one who came up with the most sensible idea for resolving the tier issue.
p.s. update from TT_HNK. The time for the ODD was not directly coordinated by Lizard with either me or TT_HNK. HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE?!
The strangest thing is that the time seems to be roughly correct. I cannot confirm this yet. This once again proves that Lizard is a very intelligent person. But it doesn't negate everything else I wrote.
Added 7 hours 51 minutes ago
Final decision regarding Lizard's text after all discussions and exchange of arguments in private messages.
The decision regarding the ODD published by Lizard was not agreed upon with our team, so we completely reject it. It's null and void.
When the opposing coordinator is ready to discuss anything (forget about "normally discussing," at least just discussing, arguing with each other in private messages, saying things like "you are annoying," trying to push their own version – all of this is optional), but damn it – discussing and negotiating (mandatory) – they should write to me in private message, on ICQ – we will discuss it.
I am also open to discussing it via voice chat on Skype if we can coordinate, even more so because (oh, miracle!) writing long texts about how someone is messing up doesn't appeal to me at all.
p.s. what is happening seems so surreal to me that I am starting to doubt whether I should be a coordinator at all. For example, I simply cannot understand how one can schedule an ODD without coordinating the time with both sides. What is the idea? What is the hope? If anyone knows, please tell me. It feels like this is some kind of flash mob to prank me. But as long as I have direct confirmation from Lucky that I am the coordinator of our team, I will act as I see fit. Don't bring out the popcorn.