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to Botinki:
I sympathize.....

Please explain!
Joyce, thank you!


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Guys, why does the tournament statistics show only one match in the second round schedule for some groups? Why aren't the others playing?
And also - what did you decide about technical draws?

A controversial moment arose in the game... I couldn't find a relevant topic, so I'm posting here... We recently finished playing a game with Dudge... (about 1.5 hours ago). I lost in a hard-fought battle, but my curiosity made me want to figure out why I lost... The decisive advantage in the final battle came from his 113 (!) wyverns, even though it was only the 3rd week of the 2nd month! I initially thought they were Hive units... I loaded the game from his perspective and reviewed his "territories." To my surprise, there wasn't a single Hive on his territory (and, as it turned out later, not on the map at all)!!! Then I asked where they came from, and he replied that 60 of them joined near Utopia. I asked the organizer to send me the map... and indeed, I saw that there were 55 wyverns stationed at Utopia... that is, by the second week, there were already 60-61 of them... which means we should assume that he already attacked them in the 2nd week, and they joined... I doubt it... So, let's calculate how many wyverns could have come from the castle at most... 2 in the first week, and then 4 each... (2 + 6 * 4) = 26... This means that 87 wyverns must have joined Dudge (taking into account that he didn't lose a single one during the entire game)! If there were 55 wyverns in the first week, and they increase by 10% each week, by the 2nd week of the 2nd month, there would be 88 wyverns... which is enough for, if they joined, Dudge to have 113 wyverns... otherwise, it's impossible... but Dudge says that he had 53 of his own... and that 60 joined him, not 88... Here is an excerpt from the chat between me and Dudge after the game... it shows that he claims he had 53 wyverns, not counting the ones that joined... even though we just calculated that the maximum is 26... Judge (01:26 AM): I relaxed completely after they joined... Judge (01:26 AM): Damn, they gave me an Air Mastery book in Utopia((( Judge (01:26 AM): Then they also gave me a Crown Judge (01:26 AM): (( Judge (01:26 AM): Although the counterattack worked sus'lik (01:27 AM): Yeah... sus'lik (01:27 AM): But against 113 wyverns... Judge (01:27 AM): Well, I wouldn't have gone Judge (01:27 AM): on the attack without them Judge (01:28 AM): There would only be 53... it wouldn't be serious... you did well with the parameters... it would have been bad in the castle Judge (01:28 AM): I put them in the castle in the 1st week To avoid being unsubstantiated, I'm posting the initial save, the save before the final battle, and the map from which this save was made... take a look if you're interested... I especially ask those who know the game mechanics well and who can draw conclusions from all this to take a look... Thank you in advance to everyone who can clarify the situation... Sincerely, CrasH.

P.S. I'm not blaming Dudge – there are always explanations for things... And I would like to get these explanations and understand how this could have happened...

JOIS, why aren't you responding???
People have a lot of questions.

CrasH
I'll try to explain for my brother.
In the first week, he used Wyverns with the Castle faction.
He lost only one during the entire game, on the Angelite map.
A week before the final battle, he went to Utopia, and the Wyverns joined him.
P.S. He doesn't remember the exact number of Wyverns that joined, and he'll send you the approximate number in ICQ after the game, if he wrote it down at all.
Don't be harsh on my BROTHER - it's not nice.
And he has saves almost every week.

Guys, why does the tournament statistics show only one match in the schedule for the second round in some groups? Why aren't the others playing?
And also, what have you decided about technical draws?

Some haven't specified their Castle and Hero yet, and I don't know who will be the red player!!!
Regarding technical draws, I'll update everything in the statistics today!!!

For the second round: Rampart - Kirre

He has saves almost every week.

The situation isn't great, but let's not blame anyone until we've looked at all the details. To Dudge - please send me all the saves.

P.S. I personally know for sure that level 6 neutral creatures cannot join without diplomacy. I ask everyone to share their opinion, but let's not accuse anyone yet.

I checked. Wyverns join without diplomacy, but it's quite difficult to confuse your own max 26 wyverns with 53... therefore, questions arose...
Uran, I'm not attacking anyone; I just want to be fully aware of all the game mechanics. Maybe I'll even discover something new for myself... and so on. So, please don't be offended by that.

Step_1985 and I tried many different approaches, and the Wyverns never joined us (we tried with a very strong hero and with a strong hero with expert diplomacy). In general, I would appreciate it if Dudge could provide a detailed explanation on the forum as to why the Wyverns joined him (if he didn't have diplomacy).

When a hero with a high level reaches a certain point, wyverns will join their army if the hero already has wyverns in their army... (they didn't join 100 archangels, but they did join 60 archangels and 2 wyverns... I didn't test with fewer archangels or a more realistic army size)... I spent until 5 AM yesterday testing different scenarios... And if Dudge happens to have those saves, it would be interesting to take a look... The possibility of wyverns joining has been confirmed experimentally by both me and Alan...

creatures join if: 1) the enemy army has the same unit (even if it's just one) + the hero has a strong army... 2) if he has diplomacy... 3) if the hero is leveled up, has a strong army + a unit + a lot of money - this often happens... but if there is little money, they are unlikely to join... 4) ... if the neutral creature has the "Submissive" checkbox checked... in this situation, I am very puzzled... even very much so. I checked Kosti's calculations - everything is correct... I am VERY puzzled where 53 wyverns came from... even if there was a Legion Head (and there isn't one), there would be +6 or 7... but still not 53

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a little more for the tournament organizers... the map is 100% random... + there are so many free items on it that if someone picks them up, they will have an unreal advantage... and also... as far as I know, in the rules of online tournaments, monsters are always set so that they don't join, because that's also not good... ;);)

Creatures join if:
1) the enemy army has the same unit (even if it's just one) + the hero has a strong army...
2) if he has Diplomacy...
3) if the hero is leveled up, has a strong army + a unit + a lot of money - this often happens... but if there's little money, they probably won't join...
4) ... if the neutral creature has the "Submissive" checkbox checked...

In this situation, I am very puzzled... even very much so. I checked Kosti's calculations - everything is correct... I am VERY puzzled where 53 wyverns came from... even if there was a Legion Head (and there isn't one), there would be +6 or 7... but still not 53

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a little more for the tournament organizers... the map is 100% random... + there are so many free items on it that if someone picks them up, they will have an unreal advantage... and also... as far as I know, in the rules of online tournaments, monsters are always set so that they don't join, because that's also not good... ;);)

Dadge didn't have a very strong army or Diplomacy, and the wyverns were in an aggressive state!!! The map is random, but it has been completely reworked, and if there is an artifact somewhere that is not completely hidden by a neutral creature, then I apologize, it is impossible to notice everything (there are also unfinished things).

Yeah, I just want to laugh at this situation... and regarding the issue of joining Vivien, it's definitely absurd... because it's a tournament map, and there simply shouldn't be such bugs on it!

Well... the situation... I guess I'll have to turn to people who really understand the game. I kindly ask Mr. Dudj to upload his save files - all of them that he has. I'll ask the "game experts" to investigate - whether this is possible. Luckily, we have "experts" on the forum! ;)

P.S. I'm not blaming anyone - but the situation is extremely interesting... Dudj, if you're right, please upload the save files and do your best to prove your point!