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9 years ago
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2Wicc

As a frequent viewer of streams, I would prefer that in about 80% of the cases you described, the opposite situation would occur. Some "entertainers" are simply not interesting for me to watch.

However, I believe that your strategy will have a positive impact on the overall number of viewers.

P.S. XL+U until the 2nd month - that's awesome :D
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9 years ago
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Mizrael
The answers to all the arguments presented in the second half of Vova's post are already in my first message. Mizrael is indeed playing for the stream, but does he receive monetary profit that corresponds to such an attitude towards the process? Do you remember how much he was paid to complete Paragon? How many streams did it take? I'm afraid that even considering the donations during those streams, the amount is clearly less than the salary of a low-paying job for the same amount of time... Everyone draws their own conclusions.
Hell, on the other hand, streams his gameplay, which he always talks about and doesn't dwell on in the chat, especially during tense turns. It's interesting to watch him precisely because of his excellent gameplay, and not because of the chitchat with viewers, with whom he can be quite harsh. Therefore, using him as an example, representing "Vika's advice," is, to put it mildly, inappropriate.
Reddy and Amilu are a prime example of what happens when you try to make the stream more engaging with comments. The time loss is a direct consequence of detailed commentary, not "presenting it appealingly, despite." I didn't expect Vova to juggle concepts like that.
I'm just talking about the attempts to turn the stream into a show, and they are present in all the examples mentioned above (Reddy's show, however, doesn't quite turn out intentionally, but it looks no less amusing because of it).
Hell succeeds because of his level of understanding of the game plus his insane amount of practice, without being above quizzes with elephant giveaways, and he even allows himself to get distracted by real-life things when the timer is ticking, which sometimes puts him in a time crunch. But the same Gom doesn't get distracted by anything, even when he's streaming... The conclusion is that everyone decides what works best for them, but if you want to attract more people, take some of Vika's advice while also improving your gameplay! Yes, it's an extra load on the brain, but it didn't stop Tvarin from progressing while he was playing Heroes of Might and Magic...))
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9 years ago
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It just so happens that 90% of viewers don't care about what's happening on the screen. The main thing is for the streamer to talk more, make mistakes, get frustrated, and occasionally do something impressive. Hi, Amilu, Admiral, Toga :D
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2Wicc

As a frequent viewer of streams, I would prefer that in about 80% of the cases you described, the opposite situation would occur. Some "entertainers" are just not interesting to watch.
Can you describe in detail what your dream stream looks like?
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9 years ago
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Big Brother is watching you :D
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9 years ago
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The lively Vik decided to join the streamers! No donations were noticed from you.
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The living soul of Vika decided to appear and talk to streamers)) No donations were noticed from you.
It's strange that it wasn't mentioned that you should stream HotA, as it's the most balanced and simply excellent version of Heroes:D
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iDD
It's strange that it wasn't announced that we should stream HotA, as it's the most balanced and simply excellent version of the game:D
Vik differs from most of the Earth's population in that he seeks the truth, not profit.

Specifically, HotA and SoD are currently about equally watchable.
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Dark
The lively soul of Vika decided to reach out to streamers)) No donations from you have been noticed.
I modestly believe that as a marketing consultant, I am slightly more useful than as a donator.
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9 years ago
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I wanted to write something, but I changed my mind. As for the topic, I agree with Mizrael.
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9 years ago
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Wicc
g) XL+U - complete darkness
I agree with you on this! However, back in the day, you were the one actively pushing people in that direction. Remember? :D
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9 years ago
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The very fact that there are streams dedicated to Heroes, with commentary and recordings, is a huge breakthrough. An even bigger breakthrough would be the integration of Heroes streams directly into the game (similar to Dota, for example). As for templates and the like, it's all a matter of taste, and it doesn't significantly affect the viewership rating. What usually matters are the nicknames of the opponents and the habit of hanging out in certain chat rooms.
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9 years ago
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Wicc
Could you describe in detail what your dream stream would look like?

Okay. I'll base my answer on your points.

1. It would be nice to have information about when the stream will continue (when the opponent returns), I agree with that.
Regarding "finishing the save." How often do you come to the very beginning of the stream? I don't see a significant difference between "continuing from a save" and "joining in the middle of the stream." In a short time, you can usually get a good enough understanding of what happened to comfortably continue watching. In the worst case, you can ask the streamer or the chat about what's going on.

2. I enjoy watching when players interact with each other quite closely and have many options at their disposal (resources, powerful spells, control) and, therefore, many possible further actions. An important factor is also intrigue, namely the presence of events that fundamentally change the game's strategy (an opponent suddenly appears from an unexpected place, a Necropolis is built in a graveyard, etc.) and how the player reacts to these events. Mirror matches are less intriguing in this regard.
In general, my rating of map templates is as follows:
XL+U > Jeb > Diamond & MiniNosta > Mirrors.

3. I prefer high-quality gameplay where the player has time to think things through and calculate, rather than constantly making mistakes due to a lack of time. However, if they can play quickly and well, that's even better. Based on these considerations, I would adjust the timer value.
While the player is thinking, I personally try to imagine what I would do in the same situation, and then analyze my own and their decisions.

4. Yes, that would be nice, I agree.

5. That's also not bad. But I don't see anything wrong with thinking out loud (what you called "rambling"). It's possible to understand how the player came to a particular conclusion. I also haven't noticed any situations where phrases become repetitive.

6. Almost any time, you can find some interesting stream, and planning matches and creating schedules seems like an impossible task, at least because it depends not only on the streamer but also on their opponents.

7. Diablo streams from Amilu and Aive, and poker streams from Mizrael during their opponent's turn, were quite well-received. I don't like Hearthstone, but even that doesn't bother me.
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9 years ago
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iDD
It's strange that it wasn't announced that we should stream HotA, as the most balanced and simply excellent version of the game:D
I'm no less surprised by this, Sir:smile07: :D

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Dirty_Player
I agree with that! However, you yourself actively pushed people to do that back then. Remember? :D
Doubtful:smile40:
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Dirty_Player
I agree with you here! However, back in the day, you were actively pushing people to do that. Remember? :D
I pushed people to do that as a player, and I used screenshots – there weren't any diamonds or mirrors back then. I don't remember anything about mini-nests. If they had existed, I would have been much less categorical.

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