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Exactly. I posted an archive with save files somewhere in the thread: 1) Where Dessa, with one goblin, goes on missions of varying lengths. 2) Where Dessa with an orc in her army overtakes Dessa with goblins and riders. This refutes the statement.
Heroes don't always start with three stacks. As I understand it, an initial army is given (1, 2, or 3 stacks), the movement points (MP) are calculated, then this army is removed, and a new one appears, which does not affect the MP of the first turn.
That's precisely the point – it doesn't refute anything. It's just that sometimes, out of these three stacks, stack
Dear Kyle! To avoid any misunderstandings, please add me (ewgeniy) to the table for the 2nd stage of the blitz tournament for HOMM 3. I apologize in advance for any inconvenience caused...:smile39:
Added after 12 minutes Kamikaze;91103
That's exactly what doesn't disprove it. Sometimes, out of these three stacks, stack number 2 or stack number 3 can be empty!
Good day to everyone! Dear Kamikaze, what are these stacks, and what is the program that shows the hero's stats?
Hello everyone! Dear Kamikaze, what are these "stacks," and what is the program that displays the hero's MP?
Read the topic, and you'll understand everything. There is no program; it's a patch for Heroes of Might and Magic. In this patch, you can view a hero's MP.
"Regarding the starting moves, this is a well-known issue. Heroes always have three stacks in the 'pool,' but when they appear in the tavern, their army is adjusted. But the moves are not. Therefore, it is known in advance how many moves each hero will have."
Kamikaze;91103
That's exactly what I mean; it doesn't disprove it. It's just that sometimes, out of these three stacks, stack number 2 or stack number 3 can be empty!
1) Since they can be empty, it means that a hero's turn can vary, which disproves the continuation of the statement: Therefore, it is known in advance how many moves each hero will have. Therefore, stacks 2 and 3 are not empty; that is, they are filled.
2)But the moves are not. Therefore, it is known in advance how many moves each hero will have. However, the saves disprove this statement, as Dessa has a different number of moves in them!
Read the topic – you'll understand everything. There is no program; it's a patch for Heroes of Might and Magic. In TE, you can view the hero's MP.
1) Since they can be empty, it means that a hero's turn can vary, which contradicts the following statement: Therefore, it is known in advance how many each hero will have Therefore, stacks 2 and 3 are not empty, meaning they are filled.
2) But moves are not. Therefore, it is known in advance how many each hero will have However, saves disprove this statement, as Dessa's turn varies in them!
Most heroes have two possible starting MP values, and a few have only one. Therefore, it can be said that it is known in advance how many each hero will have. This means that these values do not change (Kirra cannot have 1700 MP; it is known in advance that she will have either 1878 or 1657. And she only has 1878 if slot 2 is empty (very rare)).
Added after 1 minute ewgeniy;91114
Good afternoon, everyone! Dear Kamikaze, what are these "stacks," and what program shows the hero's MP?
This is not a program, dear Eugene, but simply patches for Death and Decay. Either Tournament Edition or In the Wake of Gods 3.58f.
Most heroes have two possible starting MP values, and only a few have just one. Therefore, it can be said that the starting MP value is known in advance. This means that these values do not change (Kirra cannot have 1700 MP; it is known in advance that she will have either 1878 or 1657. And she only has 1878 if slot 2 is empty, which is very rare).
I'm tired of giving this as an example. Read more carefully:
" ...Therefore, it is known in advance how much each hero will have. The only exception is the heroes of the Conflux. They sometimes start with 1630 MP (as if they had water elementals), and sometimes with 1760 MP. Of course, this does not apply to Pasis and Monere, who never have water elementals in their starting army."
This means: Conflux heroes are the exception – they have two possible starting values. And the rest of the heroes are standard – they have only one possible starting MP value. But that's not true! In SoD, many heroes have two possible values (and not just Conflux heroes), and in TE, the Logicians have as many as four!
Alright, alright, don't get worked up. I checked the table, thanks for the work! :)
Added after 18 minutes """As for starting moves, this is a well-studied question. Heroes in the "pool" always sit with three stacks, but when they appear in the tavern, their army is adjusted. But the moves are not. Therefore, it is known in advance how many each will have. Only Conflux heroes are an exception. They sometimes arrive with 1630MP (as if with water elementals), and sometimes with 1760MP. Of course, this does not apply to Pasis and Monere, who simply never have water elementals in SoD". """ I would rewrite it like this... As for starting moves, this is a well-studied question. Heroes in the "pool" sit with a certain army consisting of three stacks, but the second (very rarely) and third (much more often) may be equal to zero. Depending on the "pool", the "first day move" is calculated. But when heroes appear in the tavern, their army is adjusted. But the "first day move" is not. Therefore, practically all heroes, with the exception of only certain ones (artillerists, medics, second-tier unit specialists, Monere and Pasis), have two options for the "first day move".
to Radik: Thank you for immediately providing the description... ;) And besides, your description deserves all the praise... The progress compared to the previous stage is obvious! :smile20:
Sincerely.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
to Radik: Thank you for immediately providing the description... ;) And besides, your description deserves all the praise... The progress compared to the previous stage is obvious! :smile20:
Sincerely.
Thank you. There was simply more time, unlike the previous stage, so the result is evident – or on the face, depending on what you prefer:D
And I sent it while everyone was distracted! :smile26: I hope Kyle won't realize it's from me and will accept my save!!! :smile04:
comments to post #266: good! :smile41: I'll admit it myself... I didn't use Arcomage (I don't have it):smile32: I tried to run Heroecopalku:smile33: but it didn't work:smile11: and just... I casted two spells each and added 5 Archons to myself:smile26: But before the final save, I deleted them, so everything is fair!:smile26:
to all: I have updated the table. Dear players, hurry up… there is only one day left. Today, May 23rd, at 24:00, save submissions will end. Also, everyone who captured the "Blade of Armageddon" must send me a description.
to Ta Kotoraya...: Are the rules written for no one? Why is the save named randomly and not according to the rules? :smile42:
to Alex_R: I will check your save with particular care! :D
The final results of the first stage have been summarized. You can view the results in the topic: OFFICIAL TOURNAMENTS RESULTS! or on the first page of this topic.
Sincerely.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
The first two places are taken by IronAxe and VDV_vorever (they showed the same results, so both were placed in the first position). Therefore, the next place to be determined is the third. If there were three identical results in the first place, then the next place to be determined would be the fourth, and so on. Or is it different?