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in the chat during the CIS championship, they wrote that Cobra refused to allow the game to be streamed, which seems suspicious, considering he supposedly needs to promote the game.

They blatantly slandered him :D

I've thought about the situation a bit. Here are my thoughts: If I understand the function of the FKS (presumably a federation or similar organization) correctly, they are not sponsors or even organizers. Their main task is to provide representation and coordination, meaning it's slightly easier to find sponsors and organizers through them than without them. But it's only slightly easier, because sponsors are practical people, and all else being equal, they will prefer to sponsor more popular disciplines. That is, the content that is offered to "sell" to sponsors (or rather, to viewers, on whose advertising the sponsors rely) is primary. Without competitive content, no matter how strong the connections, there will be no results. Given the current state of Heroes, I assess the likelihood of finding a sponsor for a purely Heroes championship as very low. This possibility is not excluded, but it is a random chance, and it is not worth relying on it. Therefore, it is better to go through esports festivals - large championships with many categories. I don't follow the big esports scene very closely right now, so I'm not aware of what's happening where, but about 10 years ago, such festivals existed, the most famous being the qualifiers for WCG and ASUS Cup. I attended them myself several times (in connection with StarCraft). The advantage of such festivals is that the organizers are the same, and they take on most of the work, primarily finding and paying for the gaming venue, providing media coverage, sometimes prizes, sometimes paying for accommodation, and sometimes paying for transportation (in decreasing order of probability). With the support of the FKS, it is much easier to get into such festivals than without it. Usually, the organizers hold tournaments in several of the most popular games and may include 1-2-3 less popular games (in terms of popularity) as an addition, which varies from tournament to tournament. Heroes could quite possibly be included in this "addition." But - in order to be included in the festival, the game must meet the festival's regulations. The standard format is that the organizers rent a gaming venue for 5-7 days, and each day is dedicated to a separate game discipline. Sometimes popular team games can take 2 days, sometimes less popular games can be combined into one day, but the general principle is that almost the entire tournament must be played in 1 day. "Almost" because there is often the possibility of postponing the final (and sometimes the semi-finals) to a separate day - it is usually not difficult to allocate 4 computers. There are 2 standard numbers for the number of participants: 32 for popular games, 16 for less popular games. Attempts to declare a different number of participants will raise questions, either "don't you have more players?" or "won't it be too crowded?". That is, you should focus on the format of 16 players over 2 days; the organizers will understand and accept these numbers without unnecessary questions. And since a tournament with 16 people can be played in at least 4 rounds of a single-elimination bracket, this determines the planned duration of a match - 2 matches per game day. A game day at such festivals is usually from 10 am to 6-7 pm. No one will allow you to stay longer, because there are security guards, admins, and other staff at the venue who will not stay after work just because someone hasn't finished the final. And an offer to a sponsor like "we'll finish the game at a hotel later, and you can send the prizes by mail" will result in the sponsor not wanting to deal with Heroes anymore. That is, you need to guarantee that 2 games can be played in 8-9 hours, and have a small time buffer in case of unforeseen circumstances and mistakes. That's the situation... Please ask the topic starter to present all this to Dilvish so that he can comment on how well it corresponds to reality.

In that case, the game should be played as a pure mirror match, with Overlord Heroes, without any restarts, on fast maps, and with a short/medium timer. I think that 99% of such games will be completed within 4 hours.

Wicc, acknowledged. Thank you, that's a reasonable and well-articulated opinion!

Wicc, understood. Thank you, that's a reasonable and well-considered opinion!

Think about how you'll answer the question about whether we use modifications that the copyright holders haven't authorized. Why should the federations take on these risks: invest in promoting the discipline if there could be problems with the copyright holders?

in my opinion, no one will include Heroes as an add-on – it requires additional computers, additional time allocation on stage, and, in general, the organizers' attitude towards a secondary game will be accordingly. plus, I don't remember any festivals lasting 5-7 days. maybe it was the case with WCG qualifiers, but WCG is gone now.

you need to ask FXS for a venue and informational support to gather as many spectators as possible for a potential tournament.

the rights holders in Russia are Buka; they used to be very responsive.

In my opinion, no one will want to include Heroes as an add-on – it requires additional computers, additional time allocation on stage, and, in general, the organizers' attitude towards a secondary game will be accordingly.

The question boils down to whether the "add-on" is included in the festival schedule. If it is, does it really matter what it is?

You need to ask FXS for a venue and informational support to gather as many spectators as possible for a potential tournament.

A venue means money for rent and staff salaries. In any case, a sponsor is needed for this.

Regarding specific festivals, I repeat, my data is about 10 years old, and I'm not sure what it's like now. Maybe there's nothing like the Asus Cup anymore. You need to ask people who know.

Heroes will never become a mainstream game; accept it. If you want sponsors, viewers, and all that, go play Dota or CS.

Heroes will never become a game for the masses, accept it. If you want sponsors, viewers, etc., go to Dota or CS.

Rom, that's understandable, but we don't want too much... Dilvish won't charge me for the questions... and I don't think anyone is claiming any prizes, at most, payment for the venue and organization, the rest will be done as always with our own efforts.

Rom, I understand, but we don't want too much... Dilvish won't charge me for the questions... and I don't think anyone will claim any prizes, at most, payment for the venue and organization, the rest will be done as always with our own efforts.

Try it, why not, but IMHO "everything will stay the same" (I'll be glad to be wrong).

Artem, I think we could organize a tournament in Moscow on a paid platform, lasting about 4 days in the summer, with a prize pool. Let's say for 8-16 participants.

Artem, I think we could organize a tournament in Moscow (lasting 4 days) during the summer, using Haven as the game. Let's say for 8-16 participants.

There was a good question here: what about non-licensed software and copyright holders? This is a sensitive topic for organizers, and Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation hasn't been repealed. Can this be resolved somehow? And with whom should we resolve it? With Ubisoft?

Probably yes. Considering that generating commercial profit (e.g., through advertising) is not intended, it's not that big of a deal, in my opinion.

There was a good question here: what about non-licensed software and copyright holders? This is a sensitive issue for organizers, as Article 146 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation has not been repealed. Can this be resolved somehow? And with whom should it be resolved? With Ubisoft?

This was already resolved in 2010 during the Moscow qualifier. You go to Ubisoft's office and ask for a document, then bring it to the club administrators and you can play. Details can be found with Sticky, as he implemented this back then.

The, at the Moscow M200, also resolved the issue through Buku; they even awarded some symbolic prizes.