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Oh, I see. Clear.

Actually, in the near future, I'm more interested in your game (was that not a joke, right? YES?), rather than something that has already ended.

I already understand that the Maffs won that game only thanks to their actions and solely due to them. As for Yashur, he only wins because of this, always.
The reason for such active defense is obvious; it's not the first time I've seen such a sharp reaction from winners when they are told what actually played the biggest role in their victory.

No one wants to argue with me, but everyone is getting annoyed with Arandor, what's going on(((

And in general, in the near future, I'm more interested in your game (was that not a joke, right? YES?), not in what has already ended.

Mine? There will also be Koshina, and maybe even one in front of her.
Nothing special, a standard setting based on a fictional world, I was working on it about a year ago, but I didn't have the time or desire to finish it.

Oh, I've seen Arza complain about the poor balance before, which led to his team losing. If this were the first time, I would have ignored it or maybe even considered that there might actually be something wrong with the balance.

Unlike many others, I can at least admit that out of all one hundred games, only five victories were achieved specifically through my own efforts, and even in those, there was some help from other players. All the other victories were achieved by other people, either through their mistakes, or due to an imbalance, or simply by luck.

:) A debut is always something special. Okay, I'll try to make it to it.)

Yes, Aretz didn't even start complaining, but you reacted rather strangely and not at all in the way I expected. Well, I can forgive Yaschur, what can you expect, he's a winner by nature, but the balance was indeed flawed there. Most people initially treated that game as a fun thing, like Heroes players in a fantasy setting, Nebok made himself overpowered, Revan can't be killed, and so on. And now it turns out that some skill was actually involved, with multi-step strategies and combinations, as if we were playing for a trillion rubles, and now there shouldn't be any complaints about the winners. The losers are just noobs, so they should keep quiet now, losers. An objective assessment of the setting after the game is the most correct thing that can be done. And Aretz's assessment is quite objective. They didn't see it, didn't say it, didn't ask to change the setting – who would argue, it's their own fault. But attributing this to the merit of the winning side is not worth it.

An objective assessment of the setting

is only possible before the roles are assigned. It's surprising that this is news to you.
Once the roles are assigned, it starts to seem that the setting's balance is skewed in favor of the opponent. And any constructive feedback is lost from that point on.

I already understood that the mafia won that game only thanks to their actions and solely because of them.

That's not true. Many circumstances influenced the result (Mortulus's modkill, for example). But not some random thing.:mad: Unless you count random visits, of course.

As for Yashur, he only wins because of that, always.

Of course. How else could a "wild, self-absorbed egoist with an inadequate style" win?:rolleyes:

I completely forgot about ModKill. Yes, it was definitely thanks to his efforts.

Sesam, it might seem funny, but I don't even remember which faction I played as in that match. Because it doesn't matter. If you think I'm writing this because I lost, and I was probably playing as the Necropolis, that's not true. I remember those fun executions, and that's enough.
As for an objective assessment... It's strange that football matches are evaluated after the game, with errors in defense and failures in counterattacks being identified, which is why even seemingly equal matches can result in one of the strong teams winning with a crushing score. It's very strange why this happens, because before the match, everything seemed quite balanced.

Hero, it's all because of the complaining. If you don't agree with the winners, then you complain. Even if you died on the second night, without properly reading the day, and after death completely stopped playing and focused on other things, only reading about the sad attempts of the town to execute someone from the Mafia, and only for this reason later expressed your opinion.

I remember. You played as Dark. And I think you're writing this because you saw the game and the balance from the perspective of the Town. And I saw it from the perspective of the Mafia and I'll tell you that the balance was skewed in favor of the Town: a lot of food, it's hard to kill someone on the first try, redirection that can turn the kill back on the Mafia, three (!) resurrects, one of which can resurrect the Mafia and simultaneously learn the results of their moves and checks, whoever you kill, they'll be resurrected right away, and at that point, they'll be 100% known roles, etc... But I only realized this after I got a role ;) And before that, I thought the balance was good.

the balance was skewed in favor of the city: a lot of food-producing structures,

Yeah... Food production is intense. But if there were percentages, it would be a completely different story!:D